appears to be unconcerned by this matter

“Quebec couple battles corporate giant and wins  Canwest News Service 

 

A former Quebec couple has scored a key legal victory for cellphone customers after a judge ruled they were duped into signing three-year contracts with Telus Mobility Inc. with a misleading promotion.Son Le-Tien and Thi Nguyen broke their contracts with Rogers and signed up with Telus after a 2004 promotion promised a free trip for two to a choice of 25 international cities. After discovering not all was as advertised from promotions partner Free Air fare, the Montreal-area couple tried to cancel their contracts.Telus retailer Contact Com DL Communications of Laval, Que., slapped them with penalties totalled of $1,794.72; all Telus contracts stipulate customers must pay $20 per month in penalty fees for every month remaining on a broken contract.When the couple refused to pay, the retailer handed the file over to a collection agency.The couple sued the Telus retailer in small claims court, and just won a key victory that industry watchers say should send a message to wireless phone companies about misleading promotions and about their billing practices.The couple signed up with Telus after they confirmed Sydney, Australia was part of the promotions package put together by the local Telus dealer. But when they tracked down an official with the travel company working out of an apartment building, they were informed Sydney and Asian cities were off limits. In her decision, Micheline Sasseville of the Quebec Court awarded the couple an additional $2,000, “given the seriousness of the violations” and the attitude of the defendant, who ” appears to be unconcerned by this matter.Technology consultant and telecommunication experts Jesse Hirsch says this response speaks volumes about the attitude of the cellphone industry. The outcome of the lawsuit, however, should be a wake-up call to them, he said.”There are so many Canadians who don’t understand the contracts they sign with their wireless providers and the marketing that leads them to sign them is misleading. But people don’t have the time, money and courage to fight back,” said Hirsch.”It shows that when people fight back, they win, but what a hassle.”

Michael Geist, Canada Research Chair of Internet and E-commerce law at the University of Ottawa added: “The bigger issue here is it places the spotlight on these long-term contracts, which are becoming enormously problematic . . . It may embolden other consumers to similarly take action in this instance.”” 

 

 

 

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=6628d1e8-8cc9-4526-ac16-2746d88b58f8&k=49904

  

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly this practice of false, misleading adverting is too often had even been done by some Internet service providers who also were, are  appears to be “unconcerned by this matter” and due to the millions of consumer involved the governments themselves should firstly step in, regulate and enforce the matters.. not the courts.

do see also

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/and-i-used-to-think-that-politicians-were-big-liars/

 

do see also https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/apple-mr-jobs-has-admitted-privacy-invasion-iphone/

Misapplications of the Laws in Canada

 

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Here just for a start is what I have noted about the laws in Canada and their applications now too the last half century too.

  

In the application of justice the law Justice itself now is be be blind, for it is to be  impartial, uniformly applied too, fair, just, honest, but that now often is not the case still too.

 

Anyone who firstly believes that there is solely true Justice in all parts of  Canada is basically an ignorant Ostrich or a  fool, for still there are all kinds of ways, means, places where the laws now are still inadequately regulated, poorly and inadequately applied, enforced, carried out, and even where false partiality and false discrimination is now being applied too…. for just one example revenue generating traffic tickets seem to get too much police attentions too often  as we all seem to know, not the bad drivers, drunk drivers. Many laws are still underfunded and some still overfunded.. 

 

Too many persons who enforce the always now  they themselves wrongfully think that they are above keeping the laws, and wrongfully believe that they are exempt from any prosecutions of the wrong doings, and we see these poor unacceptable attitudes, behavior often,  amongst the  poor civil , public servants, bad police, bad RCMP included. Not enough of these too often bad guys now are really sent rightfully to jail still too. This too is always unacceptable still. For  one example here.. We all seem to know bad cops tend to mostly get away with their bad acts, they are cover-up, hushed, denied too often still too. Self regulations often tends to be just masturbation, not real justice.

 

The laws, justice system gives preferential treatment, advantages to liars, perjurers, when we can easily see that the Queen’s courts as well rarely prosecute perjury in the courts by lawyers, spouses, witnesses, etc.. When was the last time you heard the judge arrest a pretender, crooked lawyers for lying to the courts, or someone else?  after all we tend to know that the average person still lies , exaggerates at least one every 5 minutes. It seems even in the courts the person now who  hires the best liar, or lies the best can win.. even police officers do lie unprosecuted too often.

 

Speaking of false partiality of the Courts, and the Canadian federal government itself  has left the internet unregulated..  at least in part only.. we know that child molesters, child pornography on internet in Canada can be and are often rightfully prosecuted, and that some internet bullies are now being rightfully prosecuted by some provincial human rights commissions, even by some of the courts for slander, abuse  now too.. But not all of the the  human rights, verbal abusers even now  are being adequately dealt with too, nor the internet service providers who lie, are clearly now guilty of being abusive, falsely restrictive, censorship, privacy invasions, guilty false misleading advertising, restrictive business practices, bait and switch approach are not being fully dealt with and this is unacceptable, a falsely discriminatory practice  that now still always too and needs to be fully dealt with too.

  

Group representing 220,000 teachers votes for criminalizing cyberbullying The Canadian Press – Sat Jul 12, 5:56 PM MONCTON, N.B. – Delegates representing 220,000 teachers across the country have unanimously voted in favour of pushing to make cyberbullying a criminal offence.

 

 Hey I have known for years that the big bad boys hate me, curse me, for telling the whole truth even about them on the net.. someone has to do it.  I do not need  a gun to solve this problem too, for the pen is mighier than the sword.

Thanks to the too often inadequate, pretentious justice misters  indeed,  to date, very few valid, major legal reforms have taken place. They rather seem all to have been piecemeal and poorly  coordinated between the provinces and territories too, now moreover  this all has  led to the implementation of such a fragmented, poor,   unpredictable legal, justice systems. 

 

Then there is the manner of the selection of the police officers, the justices of the police, and the judges themselves now too, definitely political and partisanship influenced, hiring personal friends is a common practice in Canada still too, and it seems that bad people can be appointed, serve as  cops, lawyers, judges etc., still too.

 

Canadian laws and related sentences, punishments,  are not even uniform even across Canada but now are subject to varying, and different provincial jurisdictions, and varying standards too, where each province, territories  gives it’s own distinct preferential observances, enforcement, different sentences for,  of the specific laws even. 

 

Even the police themselves do too often falsely  discriminate, in the applications of the laws too, for   they do and can pick and chose what laws they will enforce and which ones they will not, and chose even as to whom they will prosecute and whom they will not. They falsely and undeniably  like to mainly listen to the person who has the biggest political influence, outcome on their pensions, salaries firstly, even their political masters. Some groups, persons, Corporations,  laws   thus still get disproportionate attention, preferential treatments.. discriminations against natives, black, ethnic persons, cultural profiling is still being carried out too by even police officers and Judges ehh?  

 

Jer 1:17 But you gird up your loins! Arise and tell them all that I command you. Do not be dismayed {and} break down at the sight of their faces, lest I confound you before them {and} permit you to be overcome.  18 For I, behold, I have made you this day a fortified city and an iron pillar and bronze walls against the whole land–against the [successive] kings of Judah, against its princes, against its priests, and against the people of the land [giving you divine strength which no hostile power can overcome].  19 And they shall fight against you, but they shall not [finally] prevail against you, for I am with you, says the Lord, to deliver you.

Now I have posted various messages on different subjects on my   wordpress sites.

 

I find it also still unbelievable that the top   topics from many different subjects read by many  are
1- The bad Bell Sympatico internet services
2 – How to deal with an alcoholic.
3 – How to deal with verbal abusers, bullies
4 – How to deal with the silent abuse treatment by others
5 – Bad pastors and bad Churches 

6 – Bad cops, bad RCMP

7 – Bad Politicians

 

 Jer 2:8 [Even] the priests did not say, Where is the Lord? And those who handle the law   knew Me not. The rulers {and} secular shepherds also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied by [the authority and in the name of] Baal and followed after things that do not profit.

see also

https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/ 
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/?s=RCMP
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/

 

 

Matt 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected {and} omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law–right {and} justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others.

Justifiable Uproar

 I have sent many letters to the useless Minister of Industry, Consumer affairs,  Jim Prentice MP   CorrespondenceMinister@ic.gc.ca ; and when I next phoned them in Ottawa and I HAD RECENTLY asked about a decent reply to my many letters, they said they do not know where they are,  and for me to mail them again TO THEM.. RATHER ask them to read them on the net too then for they are there as well!! Let them RE read this too..

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Stephen Harper is a hit when viewed from afar Calgary Herald,  Canada –  From a close-up perspective, the Conservative government has put in a fairly credible, largely scandal-free performance since the election in 2006 ????????????????????? Not true!

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The MP Stephen Harper, he is nice from far but far from nice, as we all know also that he lies, lied, had broken most of his re-election promises, which the Conservative Ostriches in Alberta would now have us falsely try to deny, and even have us wrongfully  to become liars like them now too…  even denying Harper’s and the Conservative promises of full openness, transparency ,  accountability and not to hire any conservative friends, etc,… to be different than the other parties now too.. not be merely another  bullies, bashers, liars, slanderers, living high on the hog, alcoholics, etc,..

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The typical bad lawyer, Minister of industry, consumer affairs, Jim Prentice MP, also hires his Conservative friend, shame on you.. Tories appoint Reform founder Manning to science advisory panel  AND as for Preston Manning ALL HE SEEMS TO LOVE TO TALK ABOUT MONEY THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.. NOW HE MANNING WILL GET MORE MONEY TO DO THAT TOO. ABSURD! If he is now a real Christian then I am a monkey’s uncle too. HOW IS THAT FOR A SCIENTIFIC INPUT?

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Meanwhile Province bows to PM’s bullying   A working minority   Cadman biographer stands by his account

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So the Industry minister even calls on Bell, Telus to explain new text charges- 

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This is not even a new issue but an old one. I firstly could not help but notice that a very significant AMOUNT OF YOUNG PEOPLE USE THE iPHONES AND COMPUTERS STILL, and that as a direct result we now have whole generation of users who clearly do strongly hate the federal government as well as the big corporations for allowing them to be abused again and again. A really Smart move??  for the Conservatives and big Corporations   getting young customers too mad at them now even for life. Certainly not a good, or a great marketing practice for  the Conservatives, the Corporations, even for Industry Minister Jim Prentice MP. The whole fiasco, poor past responses, inactions   now still being poorly thought out ironically  applies now even to to the Conservatives and the Industry Minister himself  now as well.. It all clearly falls in the same category as the Conservative Stockwell Day MP  and his past skidoo antics.

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“Finally Industry Minister Jim Prentice is calling on the chief executive officers of Bell and Telus to meet with him and explain their decision to charge consumers for incoming text messages. Jim Prentice has sent letters to the heads of the two companies, has said the decision to charge consumers without text bundling packages will hurt consumers. The companies must meet with him before Aug. 8. “While I have no desire to interfere with the day-to-day business decisions of two private companies, I do have a duty as minister of industry to protect the interests of the consuming public when necessary,” Prentice said in a statement. “I believe this was a poorly thought out decision.” Under the Corporations  new plans, customers will be charged 15 cents for each incoming text message, including uninvited spam messages. Previously, customers without text plans were only charged for outgoing messages. Customers with a text messaging rate plan or bundle will not be affected by the new charges.”

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Hey  let me shout it all to you again and again, as a taxpayer I too always do openly rightfully expect always a  good government, and I rightfully expect the government to do it’s job, including all of it’s ministers, and I rightfully also expect them always to fully to protect the citizens from the Corporations false misleading advertising, price gouging, price fixing, price collusions, bait and switch approach sales marketing approach, and a lot more. The problem also with the industry minister acting now on the iphone text issue while better late than never, is that the same major ISPs have used the same immoral approach on their Internet services as well and to date nothing was , is being done still about that  wrongfully. and this is also still unacceptable.

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It is also still  interesting how much of the negative complaints rightfully are even coming from Alberta even from the Industries Minister’s own riding, Province too, right from the heart of Conservative supporter country.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2008/07/09/ndp-messaging.html?ref=rss&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r5:c0.0764563#articlecomments

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Here again is how many Canadian consumers, citizens do see it as far as the iphones mainly. “Only the person who sends the message should be charged plain and simple. Why should I pay because some spammer sent me a text message that I did not want to receive. If I don’t want to answer my phone, I can simply ignore a call, but a text message from a number I don’t recognize is delivered to my phone whether I want it to be or not.”

“Don’t think for one minute that hasn’t been their plan all along – announce it at a high rate, with the intent of “backing off” to a lower rate…and then slowly increase that rate over the next few years once there’s a general acceptance of the practice “

“I am loathe to trust a company that changes the terms of my agreement mid-contract. I would like to learn how it is that they are allowed to do this, but if I would like to change the particulars of my contract mid agreement, it is not allowed.  I would like to think that if the terms are changed, shouldn’t the principal agreement holder be notified of the changes, otherwise it be nullified?”

“Pay twice for one service…..  I’ll charge a fee to them for writing a cheque to pay my bill”

“Clearly it is in the best interest of consumers for their elected representatives to voice their concerns on top of those of the consumers when Canadians are being gouged at almost every turn. Bell and Telus clearly to not have the best interests of their customers in mind, rather as always, they are motivated by greed and profit. “

“Kudo’s to the NDP on this one!!”

This is so typical Bell, Bait and Switch,  first bait the customers and nail the customers on the  extras next too.

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Google slams Bell Canada: open Internet is “extraordinary”
Ars Technica – By Nate Anderson | Published: July 08, 2008 – 12:30PM CT The public comments on Bell Canada’s P2P throttling practices are in, and one thing is clear: a gulf the size of Nunavut separates the huge ISPs from web-based companies and consumer groups. Google goes further; not only should Bell stop picking and choosing which lawful apps to throttle, but the company needs to start upgrading its infrastructure in a serious way. Throttling merely “encourages carriers to build their business model around managing scarcity, rather than developing more abundant capacity.
Google slams Bell Canada for throttling InternetCanada.com TORONTO – Internet heavyweight Google Inc. has waded into a fight with Bell Canada, saying the telecommunications company should be “prohibited” from the practice of curtailing of peer-to-peer Internet use to manage limited capacity on its network.
Google joins in Bell Canada traffic throttling warp2pnet.net
CBC.ca – ITBusiness.ca – FierceTelecom – mediacaster
all 16 news articles » 

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Cellphone users to be charged for incoming text messages
CBC.ca –  Cellphone users with Bell and Telus are going to have to fork over a little more to receive incoming text messages, under new pricing plans slated to roll out in August.
Get ready to pay for incoming text messagesCanada.com
Uproar over new Canadian texting feesUnited Press International
Mobile Magazine – Soonews.ca – QuicklyBored – The Province
all 40 news articles »  En Français »

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There is a  public outrage on the part of Canadian consumers following the release of the local pricing plans. Apple the iPhone maker has watched nearly 50,000 of its loyal customers sign an anti-Rogers petition at ruinediphone.com, which has in turn sparked hundreds of potentially damaging reports on the matter by bloggers and members of the mainstream media.

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Canada’s cellphone market is currently dominated by three key players – Bell (TSX:BCE), Telus and Rogers Communications Inc.(TSX:RCI.B).

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The petition has attracted attention in Canada and abroad, but it won’t have any effect on Rogers unless consumers follow through with the old-fashioned but simple and reliable strategy for pulling down prices.

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If you don’t like the price of an iPhone, don’t buy it. If Rogers finds it has priced itself out of the market, it won’t take a petition to ring in lower prices.

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All that is just the beginning of the Customer reactions, war I had written about months ago too.

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Prentice calls Bell, Telus to task for decision to charge clients without bundle The Canadian Press – Wed Jul 9, 4:05 PM

OTTAWA – Industry Minister Jim Prentice is taking Bell Mobility and Telus Mobility to task for their plans to charge some of their customers for each incoming text message and called both company CEOs to Ottawa to explain their “ill-thought out” decision.

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  https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/bell-bce-sympatico-iphone/

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Internet oversight
Globe and Mail – 3 hours ago
Toronto — Re Google Raises Fuss Over Bell’s Speed Bumps (Report on Business, July 9): Bell Canada and other telecommunications companies have been slowing, shaping and restricting Internet traffic for some time.
Google slams “throttling” of internet traffic in CanadaDigital Home
Google condemns Bell’s ‘throttling’ practiceToronto Star
Canada.com – Ars Technica – CBC.ca – BetaNews
all 51 news articles »

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Canada’s phone companies and the federal government itself  have still even failed to understand how the consumers, markets are changing.. so both Bell and Telus get hit by a backlash over new texting prices.  It is not just  about price, it was about the restriction and limitation of the user experiences too. Canadian telecom giants are feeling the heat like never before by  an increasingly savvy and demanding customer against finely tuned telecom incumbents . There is   irony to the fact that as the phone companies roll out new services that allow people to communicate instantly in new ways, their customers are using the technology to express their criticism of how those services are offered and priced.  the government’s plan to keep the wireless industry also unregulated is real crap.  Neither of these rather mostly abusive parties  are about to listen to the Canadian Customers still, it will take more drastic responses..

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