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February 6, 2009

THE BOOGEYMAN CALLED FALSE TONGUES

The Boogeyman Called  “False Tongues” By Mel C. Montgomery

Of all the empty arguments offered by Cessationists, it is hard to find anything more bizarre than their claim of the existence of “false tongues.”  This doctrine is the new Boogeyman. http://brothermel.com/theboogeymancalledfalsetongues.aspx

For those of you who are unfamiliar with American culture, please allow me to explain who the Boogeyman is

The Boogeyman is an imaginary monster we sometimes frighten small children with.

We tell them, “If you don’t behave, the Boogeyman will get you!”  Or, “If you don’t do well in school, the Boogeyman will get you!

Little children will sometimes become convinced that there is a monster hiding under their bed or in their closet.  They say, “The Boogeyman is in there!

Sometimes also, when faced with a situation of which they are unfamiliar or for which they have no explanation, such as the sudden death of a family pet, or the appearance of a wart, children will exclaim, “The Boogeyman did it!”

The Boogeyman eixsts only in the imaginations of immature minds.

The False Tongues Boogeyman is the latest concoction in a long string of discreditied arguments the Cessationists have offered over the years.  Cessationists start from the false premise that genuine speaking in tongues ceased upon the death of the last apostle.  I have soundly disproven this starting point in my article, “Tongues Throughout Church History,”   I show from ancient Christian documents that speaking in tongues and other gifts of the Spirit continued on for several centuries after the last apostle died, and have frequently re-appeared in times of great revival up to this day.

Never-the-less, in spite of the clear evidence of Scripture and church history, Cessationists persist in arguing that speaking in tongues has ceased.  Needing to offer some explanation for the widespread occurrances of speaking in tongues today, they claim such instances are manifestations of “false tongues.”  Their argument is that when Christians today speak in tongues, they are doing so not under the influence of the Holy Spirit, but by the empowerment of Satan.

As of the year 2,000 a.d., 537 million born-again Christians speak in tongues.  This is 30% to 40% of the Body of Christ.

That is an awful lot of “false tongues.”

Are we truly to believe that Satan has taken possession of more than a third of the Body of Christ, without anyone noticing?

Here is why I do not believe in the existence of “false tongues”:

First, the Bible makes no mention of false tongues.  The Bible warns of false prophets, false apostles, false teachers, false Christs, and false accusers, but there is no warning of “false tongues.”

Second, among Paul’s specific instructions concerning speaking in tongues at Corinth, he does not question the validity of the tongues themselves, nor does he instruct us to do so either.

Third, if a false speaking in tongues does exist, which is inspired by the indwelling presence of an evil spirit, I believe such tongues would be impossible for a Christian to receive.  As Christians, we are the temple of the Living God (II Cor. 6:16), and the Spirit of God dwells in us (Rom. 8:11).  If evil spirits in the demon possessed could not tolerate the presence of Christ in his earthly ministry, I do not believe a tongues-inspiring evil spirit can cohabit with the Holy Spirit in a Christian’s heart.

Fourth, Jesus Christ gave us a specific promise that if we asked the Heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit, we would not receive a serpent or a scorpion–symbols of evil spirits–but we would receive the Holy Spirit.  “…how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?”–Luke 11:13.  I do not believe that Christ’s promise has failed 537 million times.  I do not believe that 537 million Christians asked for this manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and that God stood idly by and allowed them to receive 537 million demons.

Fifth, there are no known reports of any manifestations of speaking in tongues in Christian churches that are clearly identifiable as “false tongues.”  I have spoken and interpreted public messages in tongues countless times now for 17 years.  Never once has an interpretation included, “Praise Satan!”  Or, “Jesus be accursed!”

Not once…in thousands of occurrances…In 17 years.

Sixth, all interpretations of tongues I have witnessed, participated in, or of which I am aware, always glorify Jesus Christ, extoll Christ’s victory over Satan, and exhort Christians to live holy lives and obey God’s written Word.  No manifestations of “false tongues,” inspired by evil spirits, would do so.

The following is an excellent example of the content of messages in tongues:

A highly-placed Southern Baptist official told me that some years ago, Billy Graham had been invited to speak to an assembly of students at an Assemblies of God College.

Billy Graham was on a very tight schedule.  He had just enough time for his plane to land, then to travel to the seminary, speak, and then rush to catch his next plane.  And as if that wasn’t difficult enough, Billy Graham’s plane landed late.

He was rushed to the seminary.  He quickly spoke his message to the students, and concluded.  He left the microphone and was several feet away, when someone stood up and spoke a message in tongues.  Billy stopped and listened.  A moment later, another student stood up and gave the interpretation.

Billy returned to the microphone and said:

“I was pressed for time today.  And the message I gave you actually had four points to it.  I had only enough time to give you the first two points.  That message in tongues, just gave you the last two points of my message.”

And he rushed out to catch his plane.

Are we to believe that an evil spirit was courteous enough to quietly attend this meeting and then finish Billy Graham’s message for him?

Has Satan joined God’s evangelistic team?

Seventh, we have no reports of false tongues, inspired by evil spirits, manifesting among the unsaved, and in places of false religion and sin.  False tongues have not appeared in houses of prostitution,  casinos, Jehovah’s Witnesses meetings, or at the Playboy Mansion.

Speaking in tongues occurs exclusively in Christian churches.  They involve only Born-again Christians.  The content of the messages glorify Jesus Christ.  These occur only as Christians praise, worship, and pray to the Heavenly Father.

It is a considerable stretch to believe that such manifestations could be anything but genuinely inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Are we really to believe that 537 million Christians experience continual demonic manifestations of false tongues, when false tongues were so rare that the Bible did not even address the issue?

This argument is nothing more than the Boogeyman.

Just as the children’s Boogeyman disappears from the room whenever the light is turned on, so also does the Cessationist’s False Tongues Boogeyman disappear when confronted with the light of Scripture, church history, present-day experience, and common sense.

Copyright 2006  Mel C. Montgomery.  All rights reserved.  Material may be copied and shared with others if done so without charge, in entirety, and if attribution is given.

We have done miracles in thy name.. they had claimed

Jesus next never denied their claim, and never accused that, said that their gifts were false..

the gifts were genuine.. rather it was the persons themselves who were false.. pretenders, imposter Christians

and that is true in many Pentecostals and non Pentecostal churches today as well..

Depart me from me he Jesus next said for I do not know you..”

Many even religious persons, people are falsely trying to reach Heaven, serve God in their own efforts neglect God’s provisions for them, God’s spirtual gifts. http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/come-holy-spirit/

 
 
I have a whole site that deals with true and false Pentecostal bashing. http://postedat.wordpress.com/ but all critiques firstly need  to be balanced..
> Pentecostals who are inherently  unstable from the constant hypnotic emotional experiences.
and in reality this is just real crap, and slander  produced by one’s personal distortions, lies and bitterness.. for you find the same type of bad people in all churches, 30 percent of church people are basically saved, the rest, the 70 percent are not and thus they too   act weird..
>The pastor of such places has dictatorial authority over the church people.
is some more distorted crap for most churches for the last few centuries now too have a dictatorial pastor in  all denominations now as well, not just Pentecostals. And what you have never been to a Baptist church?
>Much of my criticism of Pentecostalism comes from my experience within the Oneness brand. However, in correspondence with people across the Unites States and the world, I find that the abuses of power and the intimidation of people exist among the several types of Pentecostalism, in addition to the Oneness sect. ( or even not just to Pentecostals)
I have also witnessed abuses within the Oneness brand Pentecostals and also within PAOC , Latter Rain Pentecostals, but also in Baptist, Brethren, Mennonite, Alliance, Catholic   churches, and so now what you did not?
– AND FOR A START THE UNACCEPTABLE ABUSES I HAD WITNESSED HAD VERY SIMILAR PATTERNS.. THEY WERE RELATED TO STEALING OF MONEY, DISTORTION PREACHING ON TITHING, BUT ALSO RELATED MAINLY ON THE INADEQUATE SUPERVISIONS BY THE RESPONSIBLE SUPERINTENDENTS ON THE BAD PASTORS WHO WERE FALSELY ALLOWED TO DO THEIR OWN THING, ACTED LIKE DICTATORS.
>Breaking the traditional bonds of friends and family is the most subversive thing that also the crooked Pentecostals Pastors do to maintain control, like many cults,
 
and this is a distorted crap  cause other denominations also  do the same thing, and there are righteous, good Pentecostals as well.
 
 
In reality too as well non Pentecostal denominations, such as fundamentalists, Brethren, Baptists also help to break family ties, encourage spouses, family members falsely to divorce especially a Pentecostal adherent. Now get honest, balanced, real
– ON TOP OF THAT I HAD NOTED THAT IN THE CROOKED CHURCHES, LOCAL CHURCH ELDERS TEND TO BE NON EXISTENT, even in other denominations
-AND yes   in the bad Pentecostal churches THE MEN tend to  STAY  AWAY FROM THE CHURCH IN DROVES, THE WOMEN OUTNUMBERED THE MEN IN THE ATTENDANCE which was DIFFERENT FROM THE many churches I had visited, attended.
>> Are they former criminals? This does not matter since all their previous sins are “under the blood.” Are they respectable people? This does not matter – they spoke in tongues, so they must be “changed and good people.” 
and they tithe, so they must be “changed and good people.”  This is undeniably true. not just in Pentecostal churches too, but in the Baptist, Alliance, other churches..
>Letters from an Ex-Pentecostal  February 2005
but  there are true and false pastors, true and false churches now in all of the Christians denominations for a start. Mention that truth for a start too.
There was so much emotional rubbish, lies, distortions in the rest of the letters critiquing the Pentecostals  that they were not at all  worth reading, it gives a real bad impression to the readers about the writers, posters firstly. The devil is the one sided accuser of the brethren and too many writers there clearly had fell into his hold.
I liked all the great non existent Bible references too… it seems the writers were not real Christians to start of with, they were  clearly ignorant, or ashamed off the Bible, God’s words.
I suggest that  you revise the letter seriously.
  
 In real life sibling rivalry, bullies, oppressors can be found everywhere, in our homes, amongst our associates, in our communities, on the net, in politics, civil and public services, even in the churches as well. These are the people who falsely abuse others and despise the human rights of others, and they falsely do think now that God himself approves of it or overlooks it all.. Nothing could be further from the truth. But our own final peace, reward will be in Heaven.Now about these false bullies, thugs, the proud oppressors, war mongers
 http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/bullies-thugs-proud-oppressors-war-mongers/

For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/

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“The ONLY way you can get to heaven is by being born again!!! THAT’S what Jesus told Nicodemus! prior to Pentecost and being Born again means also being Baptized with the Holy Spirit too after the day of Pentecost, as Jesus himself also had commanded… and everyone who was baptized with the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts showed it by speaking in toungues.. otherwise you truly are not Born again if you do not speak in toungues.. like it or not, believe it or not.. that was the New Testament pattern.. so do you speak in toungues, or why not?
 do see also

http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/covet-to-prophesy-and-forbid-not-to-speak-with-tongues/ http://sacredtruths.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/god-can-speak-directly-to-you/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/now-about-speaking-in-tongues;

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I really get a big chuckle in hearing from all those pretend, rather hot air speaking in tongues experts who themselves admit they cannot speak in tongues.

http://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/follow-after-charity-and-desire-spiritual-gifts-but-rather-that-ye-may-prophesy/

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Beware always of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, Corporations too who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,
Is 51:23 ..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.
  
DO SEE ALSO
 
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/

September 14, 2008

Reverend Todd Bentley versus Republican Mom Sarah Palin

 
 
 
It is no well kept secret that too many  Bullies, Abusers, selfish, self centered, even professing Christians  persons, too often with hidden motives and agendas too,  have been on the internet  using the topic  of the Florida Lakeland Revival Evangelist Reverend Todd Bentley, a latter rain Pentecostal healer too,  to hopefully attract readers to their own sites, and to bring to other persons their own often distorted point of views.
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And  now they rather  have now next refreshingly turned now to a new subject, the Republican Pentecostal Christian Sarah Palin as their main live bait to get  unsuspecting suckers,  readers  to their sites.
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The past bashing of Todd Bentley has now clearly run out of steam for many especially since admittedly now confirmed  too  he is a typical normal sinful person, a too typical inadequate, bad  pastor, evangelist we seem to find in most denominations, much too many churches still too.
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So these bad posters or hate mongerers it seems now instead on uplifting Jesus Christ now  some of these bad professing Christian  posters have started  to bash any other professing Christians who access their sites..  wow and unbelievable still too.. forewarned is fore armed.. ..
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Often these same bashers, posters, critics really are incapable of it, so they   still do not discuss the Bible, or now even post any serious Bible verses, thus they like to remain as the devil’s advocates, the devil’s helpers, critics, working for the devil and not God clearly too.  Yes their old bad habits seem to die hard for them now too..
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The nomination of Republican vice President Sarah Palin has also certainly sparked  an interest again into Pentecostal religion and  we are next going for sure get to see more of this too..  
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Pentecostalism is now mostly a revived New Testament form of Biblical Christianity. It is now once again a major world wide Charismatic branch of Christianity   and now many persons world wide as well as in the Americas do seek, do want to know seriously what is difference basically  about this Christian religion from the other existing differing Christian religions.
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  After all a normal,  genuine believer, Christian is a follower of Christ, the Bible and not any specific church, fellowship, denomination too. As to why some of them  they want to know more about her religion it seems it  is also still questionable..
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And I thought that all of the professing Christians were to be decent, kind, lving persons or is this how you too do now  find out all those that are real christians and those who clearly are not still too?
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(John 13:34 KJV)  A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(John 15:12 KJV)  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
(John 15:17 KJV)  These things I command you, that ye love one another.
(Rom 13:8 KJV)  Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(1 Th 4:9 KJV)  But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
(1 Pet 1:22 KJV)  Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
(1 John 3:11 KJV)  For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
(1 John 3:23 KJV)  And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1 John 4:7 KJV)  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
(1 John 4:11 KJV)  Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
(1 John 4:12 KJV)  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(2 John 1:5 KJV)  And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
 (John 8:31 KJV)   If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
(John 13:35 KJV)  By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
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 Hidden agendas, the world is full of it, many people have hidden agendas, Pastors, Ministers, politicans, cops  too. Sadly some people they tend  present their own “facts,” but fall short in truthfulness  for they tend to falsely  have a hidden agenda, and often they want to be falsely personally worshipped and live in sin too.
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 IT IS NOW MORE  RARE BUT I DO ALSO NOW STILL GET BULLIED BY RELIGIOUS BULLIES, ABUSERS TOO.. 
 
The WRONGFULLY STILL Unrepentant  bully’s problem is that he or she is one of those bad persons  who only feels truly alive when voicing hostility and contempt for his “enemies.” Without that, he or she starts gasping for air. It’s his nature.. self-destructive” ..  clearly these immoral  Bully, Basher of others, Abusers of others has a disappointed, deflated ego, negative self worth,  most likely related to past unresolved guilt, as a result  of  that   the bully, he or she, tries falsely to   build  their ego up by bashing, hating others, by being an antagonists against  his proclaimed enemies, which too often also  is most people , for  he or she no longer trust anyone, and Abusers this is a common very typical approach, fact in the character build up of Bullies, Bashers, but their approach is futile, the subsequent feeling of self worth dissipates too quickly, are actually replaced by guilt,  and his ego, self worth likely needs to be recharged with new hate.. and is replaced with more and larger hatred of the others.  I have seen this type of wrong behavior not just in bad managers, bad politicians, bad persons, but  in alcoholics, and most often in Albertan rednecks ,but also  in religious   fundamentals evangelicals who promote hated towards Pentecostal Christians as well, and  now as well as the crooked pastor wrongfully  fighting for control over others. Public exposure and prosecution of these bad persons here too services everyone’s best interest.
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Telling lies, half truths is too  too difficult, for you have to remember the lies you had said, and the truth as well, and most people cannot do that , thus they rather do as a result go crazy.. So Me I do not write to please men or women, to be politically correct, and I prefer the to deal with, write the simple truths, I also do readily share the good things I have learned freely

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Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth?
 
do see also
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/betrayers-of-jesus-christ/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/the-nomination-of-republican-vice-president-sarah-palin-has-certainly-sparked-interest/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/us-journalist-mark-pinsky-asked-why/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/the-witchhunt-against-the-pentecostals-backfired/
http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/the-ungodly-religious-wars-amongst-professing-christians-even/
 
 
 
 
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