January 28, 2010
HERE IS THE UNBELIEVABLE REALITY
January 9, 2010
Conservative PR machines going under Good Riddance
ONE REASON I OFTEN MAKE MY POSTS IS CAUSE THE NEWS MEDIA OFTEN LIE, SPIN, DISTORT THE TRUTH LIKE CTV, NATIONAL POST, SUN AND OTHERS.. WHAT HAPPENED TO NEWS MEDIA BEING FIRSTLY HONEST, AND HOW CAN I EXPECT THE POLITICIANS TO BE NEXT HONEST WHEN THE NEWS MEDIA too often LIE.
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-many-businesses-fail/
and don’t you dare get sick and go to a Hospital you might have to find out what the doctors, nurses, hospital and Medicare are really like now too
Emergency Wards in Hospitals can be a deadly place.. many people pick up all kinds of sicknesses there too.. shit disease included..
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/victims-of-deadly-c-difficile-outbreak/ http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/shit-disease/
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/even-many-doctors-are-mainly-selfish-self-centered-want-to-get-rich-fast-too/
July 22, 2009
Honour killings, assults
An Afghanistanian Muslim Family had plans to murder daughters, and the first wife months before: according to the police. The alleged murder of three sisters and a father’s first wife, was preceded apparently by an unfathomable scenario in Canada where the girls’ both parents and brother had conspired in these premeditated murders. Montreal’s Mohammad Shafia, 56, his wife, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 39, and their eldest son, Hamed Shafia, 18, all of Montreal, are charged with four counts each of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. A relative of the parent has told the police and reporters that she believes the murders were carried out as so-called honour killings. Many Islamist extremeists are already well known for their false violent, brutual. murderous terrorsts acts towards any so called opponnets of thier Islamic relgious views.
Most Canadians express rightful, complete outrage at the barbaric murders, “honour killings,” but some in the Muslim community react in the most predictable fashion: distortions defensiveness and false denial saying “This has nothing to do with Islam,” FOR the religion of Islam does not sanction honour killings. It is true that Islam’s holy book, the Koran, does not sanction honour killings. But to deny the fact that many incidents of honour killings are conducted by Muslim fathers, sons and brothers, and that many victims are Muslim women, is to exercise total dishonesty, perversoty for it is true that the Koran does not sanction such murders, but man-made sharia law, which has been falsely imputed divine status, does allow for the killing of women if they indulge in pre-marital or extra-marital consensual sex. This is exactly why so many professing Canadian Muslims have opposed the introduction of sharia law in Canada. There is no denying that Islam, in its contemporary expression, is obsessed with women’s sexuality, and considers it a fundamental problem. The hijab, the niqab, the burka and polygamy are all manifestations of this phobia. The mullahs and the mosque leadership may even falsely deny their role in ensuring that Muslim women are second-class citizens within the community, but the undeniable place they reserve for women in the house of God, the Mosque, reveals their actual conviction that Muslim women are considered not as our mothers or daughters and sisters, but as sexual triggers that may ignite the male passions. Honour killings take place because many Muslims have been convinced by their mullahs that the burden of their family’s honour and their religion is vested in the virginity of their daughters and sisters. Most mullahs do still acknowledge that according to sharia law, a woman who has consensual sex with a man outside marriage deserves to be lashed in public or stoned to death by an Islamic State or an Islamic court. Not until Muslim clerics and imams seriously abandon their false notion about women being the possession of men will they really begin to address the cancer of honour killings, which take more than 5,000 lives in South Asia and the Middle East alone. At some bookstores, the title of was : Women Who Deserve to Go to Hell. The book, which is also widely available in British libraries and mosques, lists the type of women who will face eternal damnation. Among them are:
• “The Grumbler … the woman who complains against her husband every now and then is one of Hell.”
• “The Woman Who Adorns Herself.”
• “The Woman Who Apes Men, Tattoos, Cuts Hair Short and Alters Nature.”
But they cannot have it both ways: proclaiming women as the source of sin as well as deserving of death for consensual sex, and then try to claim the men who do carry out the death sentence are acting against Islamic law. http://www.nationalpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=1826529
May 21, 2009
WHY MANY BUSINESSES FAIL

“Farmers have been involved with selling local product for decades. What’s happening now is that the consumer side is catching on, “and “one of the big challenges to markets was reaching “mid-level or second-tier” consumers, who, studies showed, stayed away, in large part, because of affordability.” Also “locally grown food, in many cases, is also more costly to produce, because Canadian labour and, often, land is worth more than in Brazil or China. Above all, though, local growing conditions for most foods are less productive than elsewhere.”” the cheapest and best the best way is actually to skip the farmers’ market and eat global”. Price conscious consumers reality..
Even the Canadian Pork or Beef famers are also lazy and unrealistic persons ehh? Spin doctor, lie to others , blame others all you want.. but you still will not change the reality.. the price of pork, beef was too high in a recession, for the consumers are not stupid but price conscious.. as a good realtor knows now too, it is always better to sell more units at a lower price over selling less units at a higher price.. but if you tell that to the lazy, unrealistic, greedy persons they will hate you.. fire you…

April 7, 2009
Dirty Canadian cops, dirty Pastors, dirty Cabinet Ministers



Police do not like it when the table is turned upon them.. “Police routinely call the media together for a show-and-tell display of video or pictures of the latest brazen criminal act, but lately, a similar spotlight has been shining on police and the picture isn’t pretty. Vancouver news photographer Jason Payne summed it up as the “Robert Dziekanski syndrome” after police twisted his arm behind his back and seized his camera as he tried to take shots of a police-involved shooting. Dziekanski, a Polish immigrant who was behaving erratically, died at Vancouver’s airport after RCMP Tasered him several times in October 2007. The death went mostly unnoticed until it exploded onto the national stage after a bystander’s video of the incident showed officers using the weapon on the agitated man armed only with a stapler. A public inquiry which has been further embarrassing to the RCMP is currently underway. Since Dziekanski’s death, New Brunswick police have been chastised by a court for not only arresting a blog photographer, but deleting a picture from his camera. In December 2007, just weeks after the Dziekanski video was released to the public, Vancouver television cameraman Ricky Tong arrived to the scene of a police-involved shooting minutes after the gunfire and started filming. He was held after refusing to give up his video and only released after the station sent a live truck to the site so a copy of the video could be made on the spot. After a fatal police shooting on the street last month, Adam Smolcic, told a Vancouver officer he had taped the incident on his cell phone. He said he gave the officer his phone and when it was returned, the video had been erased. The phone is now with experts in the United States to see if the video can be extracted from the phone’s memory. Vancouver Police Chief Jim Chu has apologized to both Payne and Tong. “My personal feeling is this is the Robert Dziekanski syndrome,” said Payne, a news photographer for more than a decade. “If that person hadn’t of videotaped what happened in Vancouver airport the inquiry probably wouldn’t be going on.” Payne said he was threatened with arrest. “And I really thought they were going to do it.” The Vancouver incidents have prompted a formal complaint from the B.C. Civil Liberties Association to the Vancouver Police Board. Chu has admitted police held on to the photographer’s camera an hour longer than they should have. “The officers were acting in good faith, they were acting in the heat of the moment,” he said. This comes at the same time as the City of Vancouver considers beefing up it’s surveillance during the 2010 Winter Olympics with street cameras and the B.C. government invests $1.8 million to put video systems in police cars. It’s an irony not lost on David Eby, of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association. “It’s almost like the police only want the cameras turned in one direction. That is on the citizens and not on the police,” said Eby. “But the reality of cellphone cameras and surveillance cameras is that they capture everybody equally.” No one, including police, should have the expectation of privacy in a public place, said Simon Fraser University criminologist Neil Boyd. He agreed it appears recent police actions indicate they’re concerned about public perception. “Whether this is true or not is a question – but the images do suggest that they’re more interested in how police are portrayed than using this material in the course of a police investigation,” said Boyd.
The department also sent out a bulletin warning officers they can’t take cameras or video equipment from members of the public or the media. It says officers can only take equipment in the instances where there is an arrest, a warrant, or officers have a reasonable concern that the person might destroy the evidence. Eby said police often use the potential destruction of evidence as an excuse to seize the tape. “The issue is control of the videotape and who gets to see it and more importantly who doesn’t get to see it.” He said he can’t think of a member of the public who would videotape a police-involved death and then erase it. “More likely they would sell it to a media outlet or they would put it up on YouTube. The concern that the police have is that the videotape would be distributed and there would be people criticizing their conduct,” he said. Eby said it was no coincidence that the conflicts between police and media concerned police-involved shootings. “I think the Dziekanski video really drives home the sensitivity that police have around these things.” All four officers involved in the Taser incident told the inquiry into Dziekanski’s death that the man was aggressive and waving a stapler when they arrived on the scene and that the officers had to wrestle him to the airport floor. All the officers later admitted after watching the video during the inquiry that those statements were incorrect. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090411/national/police_cameras
Police seizures of cameras prompts BC complaint Globe and Mail – VANCOUVER – The BC Civil Liberties Association wants Vancouver police reminded that they can’t just seize photos and videos from witnesses. The association said there have been three incidents where police have tried to seize cameras and video cameras — all three in cases of police-involved shootings. In a complaint to board chairman Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson, association executive director David Eby outlined his concerns that police officers are interfering with the rights of those taking pictures or video.“What’s particularly troubling to us is that the three high-profile allegations … all involve police using lethal force against citizens,” he said.
The most recent of the complaints involves a newspaper photographer whose arm was twisted behind his back by an officer when he refused to give up his camera outside a police shooting on Sunday.Last month, a man who claimed he recorded the police shooting of a homeless man on his cellphone said an officer asked for his phone and when it was returned the video had been erased. The third incident involves a TV cameraman who was held by police for several hours after he refused to give up his videotape after a police shooting at a Vancouver gas station in December 2007.Mr. Eby said police only have the right to take a camera under limited circumstances, including if the person consents or if police have a warrant. Mr. Eby said currently police believe they can seize cameras that might give evidence of a crime, but the courts have dramatically limited the scope of that law. “As a citizen, probably the best thing to do is to refuse to turn the camera over and to identify yourself to the police officer and say you’re preserving the evidence.” Mr. Eby said the association is not only demanding clarity on the issue of when police can take someone’s camera, but also believes police should stop investigating themselves when officers use lethal force.
” I snapped another picture. The cops noticed this time. One of them strode directly over to me.“You can’t take pictures of this,” he said. His tone was aggressive.

I slid my camera back into its case.
“Okay,” I replied.
“Erase it,” he ordered me.
“What?”
“I said ‘Erase it’!” he said, “I work undercover and I don’t want my picture anywhere.”
I really didn’t want to erase my picture. Not unless I had to. Besides, if he’s so concerned about keeping his undercover identity secret, he shouldn’t walk around in a police uniform.
“Do I have to?” I asked.
“I told you, I don’t want my picture anywhere.”
“Is it the law?” I asked.
“I asked you nicely,” he said, but he didn’t say it very nicely. It sounded threatening to me.
“Is it the law?” I repeated.
“I asked you nicely,” he said menacingly as he stared down at me, “Are you refusing?”
I looked at him. Maybe if we were in a dark alley with no witnesses, I would have deleted it. But here? In broad daylight, surrounded by witnesses, with a tiny, bleeding, unconscious, handcuffed woman lying on the street? He was probably in enough trouble already.
“Yes,” I said, “I’m refusing.”
“Real nice,” he said in disgust, “Thanks a lot.”
And he turned around and started to walk back to the knot of officers and the unconscious handcuffed woman.
The cop wheeled around.
“You say something?” he demanded of the young man.
“Yeah,” he replied, “I said ‘It’s still Canada.’”
“What’s that supposed to mean?” demanded the cop.
“It means,” said the young man, “that we have rights here. She can take a picture of anything she wants and she doesn’t have to delete it just because you say so.”
“Oh yeah?” demanded the cop, “I told her I work undercover and I don’t want my picture anywhere, but she doesn’t care what happens to me.”
“Maybe she cares about what happens to that person lying unconscious on the sidewalk,” suggested the young man.
“You a lawyer?” demanded the cop, “Cause if you’re not a lawyer then mind your own business.”
Then, inexplicably, the cop said, “You own property? Eh? You own property? Cause I own property. That means I pay police tax. If you don’t own property, you don’t pay police tax!”
Then he wheeled around and stomped back to his cluster of officers and the unconscious woman who was being tended to by the paramedics.“
Vancouver police chief apologizes for press camera seizure CBC.ca – Vancouver police Chief Jim Chu said on Wednesday that officers have been told they don’t have blanket authority to seize cameras from the media or the public.
This false, immoral, unethical obstruction of justice, unlawful use of police authority, etc., had also been done in many other cities in Canada by many other cops too now.. It has to stop!!!!!!!! do see also
Let us not forget the role played by the video of Robert Dziekanski getting tasered at the Vancouver Airport. Dziekanski was repeatedly tasered by police after becoming disoriented at the the airport. Testimony from police was directly contradicted by the video evidence shot by Paul Pritchard who was in the airport at the time. If police have the right to examine crime scene evidence then there should be very clear rules about how to handle that footage. As the Dziekanski story demonstrates, there will be times when police have a vested interested in not having that material made public.
• No mention of riot squad attack in initial account
• Video forces watchdog to consider inquiry demand
It began with an anodyne press release from the Metropolitan police more than three hours after Ian Tomlinson died. It ended with a police officer and an investigator from the Independent Police Complaints Commission asking the Guardian to remove a video from its website showing an unprovoked police assault on Mr Tomlinson minutes before his heart attack. In the space of five days through a combination of official guidance, strong suggestion and press releases, those responsible for examining the circumstances surrounding Mr Tomlinson’s death within the City of London police and the IPCC, appeared to be steering the story to what they thought would be its conclusion: that the newspaper vendor suffered an unprovoked heart attack as he made his way home on the night of the G20 protests. Late last Friday, after investigators from the IPCC had spoken to detectives from City police, the commission which claims it is the most powerful civilian oversight body in the world, was preparing to say it did not need to launch an inquiry into the deathduring one of the most controversial recent policing operations.
But the release of the video by the Guardian this week, which revealed Mr Tomlinson was subjected to an unprovoked attack by a Met riot squad officer minutes before he died, has forced the IPCC to step up to the demand that it launch a full independent inquiry. “They have caught a real cold on this,” said a senior source. “They were very slow, they clearly didn’t think anything was wrong and they didn’t look for it. Sometimes they just don’t seem to be very independent.” A former IPCC insider went further, blaming a “cosy” relationship with the police for the commission’s failure to act quickly. “The problem with the IPCC is that it is too late to start inquiries and they go on for too long,” said John Crawley, a commissioner for four years. “They should have picked this up as an independent investigation straight away. There was strong public interest given the concern about the ‘kettling’ tactics being used to police the protests and the need to gain the confidence of those demonstrators with information to come forward to someone who wasn’t the police.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/09/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson-g20
7 Apr 2009: The Guardian obtained this footage of Ian Tomlinson at a G20 protest in London, shortly before he died. It shows Tomlinson, who was not part of the demonstration, being assaulted from behind and pushed to the ground by baton-wielding police
Auditor General slams BC failure on homelessness The British Columbia government has so far failed to develop a plan to reduce homelessness, according to a report released by Auditor General John Doyle “We found significant activity and resources being applied to homelessness issues but there is no provincial homelessness plan with clear goals and objectives,” Doyle wrote. “The absence of clear goals and objectives raises questions about whether the right breadth and intensity of strategies are being deployed.” The government does not even have a grasp of the size of the problem, he said. “The lack of good comprehensive information about the nature and extent of homelessness in the province” makes it difficult to plan, he said. The only figures available are from homelessness counts conducted by municipalities and regional districts that likely underestimate the problem, he said. Those counts have been rising. “The continuing increase in the number of homeless counted suggests a lack of success in managing homelessness, let alone reducing it.” There is a good financial case to be made for better addressing homelessness, he said. “The cost of public services to a homeless person is significantly higher than to that same person being provided with appropriate housing and support services.”
Here is what I know for sure in Canada proper policing, management , supervision human rights commissions are a real fact of life, society, in schools, life, in churches, governments, commerce, institutions, civil and public services, professional services too, and elsewhere, even on the net, for you will always have those 30 percent at least of the persons who will try to cheat, lie , steal, bend the rules, falsely believe they are above the laws, Self regulation alone is too often pretentious, farcical, often not applied as well. That applies especially to the professionals, civil and public services, police, municipalities, politicians now as well..
Bad leaders, bads pastors, bad politicans continue to exist cause likely the congregation is bad too. (Jer 5:31 KJV) The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
February 6, 2009
THE BOOGEYMAN CALLED FALSE TONGUES
“The Boogeyman Called “False Tongues” By Mel C. Montgomery
Of all the empty arguments offered by Cessationists, it is hard to find anything more bizarre than their claim of the existence of “false tongues.” This doctrine is the new Boogeyman. http://brothermel.com/theboogeymancalledfalsetongues.aspx
For those of you who are unfamiliar with American culture, please allow me to explain who the Boogeyman is
The Boogeyman is an imaginary monster we sometimes frighten small children with.
We tell them, “If you don’t behave, the Boogeyman will get you!” Or, “If you don’t do well in school, the Boogeyman will get you!
Little children will sometimes become convinced that there is a monster hiding under their bed or in their closet. They say, “The Boogeyman is in there!
Sometimes also, when faced with a situation of which they are unfamiliar or for which they have no explanation, such as the sudden death of a family pet, or the appearance of a wart, children will exclaim, “The Boogeyman did it!”
The Boogeyman eixsts only in the imaginations of immature minds.
The False Tongues Boogeyman is the latest concoction in a long string of discreditied arguments the Cessationists have offered over the years. Cessationists start from the false premise that genuine speaking in tongues ceased upon the death of the last apostle. I have soundly disproven this starting point in my article, “Tongues Throughout Church History,” I show from ancient Christian documents that speaking in tongues and other gifts of the Spirit continued on for several centuries after the last apostle died, and have frequently re-appeared in times of great revival up to this day.
Never-the-less, in spite of the clear evidence of Scripture and church history, Cessationists persist in arguing that speaking in tongues has ceased. Needing to offer some explanation for the widespread occurrances of speaking in tongues today, they claim such instances are manifestations of “false tongues.” Their argument is that when Christians today speak in tongues, they are doing so not under the influence of the Holy Spirit, but by the empowerment of Satan.
As of the year 2,000 a.d., 537 million born-again Christians speak in tongues. This is 30% to 40% of the Body of Christ.
That is an awful lot of “false tongues.”
Are we truly to believe that Satan has taken possession of more than a third of the Body of Christ, without anyone noticing?
Here is why I do not believe in the existence of “false tongues”:
First, the Bible makes no mention of false tongues. The Bible warns of false prophets, false apostles, false teachers, false Christs, and false accusers, but there is no warning of “false tongues.”
Second, among Paul’s specific instructions concerning speaking in tongues at Corinth, he does not question the validity of the tongues themselves, nor does he instruct us to do so either.
Third, if a false speaking in tongues does exist, which is inspired by the indwelling presence of an evil spirit, I believe such tongues would be impossible for a Christian to receive. As Christians, we are the temple of the Living God (II Cor. 6:16), and the Spirit of God dwells in us (Rom. 8:11). If evil spirits in the demon possessed could not tolerate the presence of Christ in his earthly ministry, I do not believe a tongues-inspiring evil spirit can cohabit with the Holy Spirit in a Christian’s heart.
Fourth, Jesus Christ gave us a specific promise that if we asked the Heavenly Father for the Holy Spirit, we would not receive a serpent or a scorpion–symbols of evil spirits–but we would receive the Holy Spirit. “…how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?”–Luke 11:13. I do not believe that Christ’s promise has failed 537 million times. I do not believe that 537 million Christians asked for this manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and that God stood idly by and allowed them to receive 537 million demons.
Fifth, there are no known reports of any manifestations of speaking in tongues in Christian churches that are clearly identifiable as “false tongues.” I have spoken and interpreted public messages in tongues countless times now for 17 years. Never once has an interpretation included, “Praise Satan!” Or, “Jesus be accursed!”
Not once…in thousands of occurrances…In 17 years.
Sixth, all interpretations of tongues I have witnessed, participated in, or of which I am aware, always glorify Jesus Christ, extoll Christ’s victory over Satan, and exhort Christians to live holy lives and obey God’s written Word. No manifestations of “false tongues,” inspired by evil spirits, would do so.
The following is an excellent example of the content of messages in tongues:
A highly-placed Southern Baptist official told me that some years ago, Billy Graham had been invited to speak to an assembly of students at an Assemblies of God College.
Billy Graham was on a very tight schedule. He had just enough time for his plane to land, then to travel to the seminary, speak, and then rush to catch his next plane. And as if that wasn’t difficult enough, Billy Graham’s plane landed late.
He was rushed to the seminary. He quickly spoke his message to the students, and concluded. He left the microphone and was several feet away, when someone stood up and spoke a message in tongues. Billy stopped and listened. A moment later, another student stood up and gave the interpretation.
Billy returned to the microphone and said:
“I was pressed for time today. And the message I gave you actually had four points to it. I had only enough time to give you the first two points. That message in tongues, just gave you the last two points of my message.”
And he rushed out to catch his plane.
Are we to believe that an evil spirit was courteous enough to quietly attend this meeting and then finish Billy Graham’s message for him?
Has Satan joined God’s evangelistic team?
Seventh, we have no reports of false tongues, inspired by evil spirits, manifesting among the unsaved, and in places of false religion and sin. False tongues have not appeared in houses of prostitution, casinos, Jehovah’s Witnesses meetings, or at the Playboy Mansion.
Speaking in tongues occurs exclusively in Christian churches. They involve only Born-again Christians. The content of the messages glorify Jesus Christ. These occur only as Christians praise, worship, and pray to the Heavenly Father.
It is a considerable stretch to believe that such manifestations could be anything but genuinely inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Are we really to believe that 537 million Christians experience continual demonic manifestations of false tongues, when false tongues were so rare that the Bible did not even address the issue?
This argument is nothing more than the Boogeyman.
Just as the children’s Boogeyman disappears from the room whenever the light is turned on, so also does the Cessationist’s False Tongues Boogeyman disappear when confronted with the light of Scripture, church history, present-day experience, and common sense.
Copyright 2006 Mel C. Montgomery. All rights reserved. Material may be copied and shared with others if done so without charge, in entirety, and if attribution is given.
We have done miracles in thy name.. they had claimed
Jesus next never denied their claim, and never accused that, said that their gifts were false..
the gifts were genuine.. rather it was the persons themselves who were false.. pretenders, imposter Christians
and that is true in many Pentecostals and non Pentecostal churches today as well..
Depart me from me he Jesus next said for I do not know you..”
Many even religious persons, people are falsely trying to reach Heaven, serve God in their own efforts neglect God’s provisions for them, God’s spirtual gifts. http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/come-holy-spirit/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/distortions-lies-false-critiques/
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http://comeholyspirit.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/covet-to-prophesy-and-forbid-not-to-speak-with-tongues/ http://sacredtruths.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/god-can-speak-directly-to-you/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/now-about-speaking-in-tongues;
I really get a big chuckle in hearing from all those pretend, rather hot air speaking in tongues experts who themselves admit they cannot speak in tongues.
January 23, 2009
Alcoholic consumption entertainment at taxpayer’s expenses
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/obama-owes-harper-a-few-brews-after-canada-takes-us-in-olympic-hockey-85784877.html
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And how much major hurt and damage does alcohol drinking still cause in Canada? and how much money does it costs the taxpayers now too? Much too much too. https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/alcohol/
– How much money did the Prime Minister, the Premiers themselves now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last year,
– How Much money did the federal, provincial cabinet ministers now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last year
– How much money did the civil and public servants now spend on Alcoholic consumption entertainment last yearI trust you all can readily supply us all with the answers
Fundamental evangelical pastors preach it is a sin for any Christian to drink alcohol, Liberal Christians such as Catholics or Eastern Orthodox church say it is not. But one thing no one can deny is how harmful drinking alcohol is.. in Russia 60 percent of men and women die due to drinking alcohol..
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I was also very sad to note as to how many evangelical, Christian pastors, politicians still do falsely approve of drinking alcohol even though their real Christian colleagues preach against it..
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I still would rightfully rather see pastor first live a sermon instead of too often now merely preach it to others and I really do think it is so farcical how some sinfully, proud evangelical pastors are ready to condemn others, to gossip about, to now preach about the other person’s sins but someone how they can’t seem to deal with their own false abuse of others, their own sins, and their own false pride. Sadly I have often been in bad Christian churches where the clearly crooked pastor to turn off attention off himself would bash some other churches, some other denominations and some other persons, but all that bashing of his now did not still deny his own sins and his own wrong doings though now. The Bad preacher are not the only ones who can preach about other people’s sins and demand others to repent, so can I, bad pastors now included and I rightfuly do often as well.
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One of the things I have found also so confounding is how many preachers can be filled with both truths and lies, falsehood, errors and how come? Why is that? I was passing through the city of Chicago on the way to Winnipeg and I had decided to stop in a Pentecostal church, that I had read about in Christians magazines, books now too, this Church had regular Sunday services casting out demons out of Christians too. I was dismayed to hear the preacher at a Sunday morning service also preach that the Russians had an army of tanks on the US border in Canada ready too invade the US, and most people there had next accepted this as the truth. Funny or sad how so many people seem to be ready to believe gross lies over the truth, reality from their leaders now even in churches as well. For certainty I next saw no Russians tanks at the Canadian border when I drove on to Calgary Alberta as well.
Please do have the local LaSalle police remind the pastors, elders, members, adherents of this Pentecostal church that is is still illegal for the pastor or anyone else now there too to physically assault anyone, even if it is in their church. They may have a right to ask anyone to leave their premises, but as I have witnessed myself now they do not have a right to physically grab, lay hands, assault any person in their church even now too especially when he did nothing wrong.. That right is only for the police and is limited for them as well.. If someone next after being asked refuses to leave the church when asked they can call the police. I told them that I was glad to leave this church on my own free will and will be just as glad not to come back too.
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Honor Killings, Violence. In reality too the Cops themselves, RCMP included, now are not the only one who resort to violence when their authority is threatened, so do some clearly bad, hot tempered evangelical pastors now too.. I too before have already experienced in Canada a direct physical assault of me by a rogue Pentecostal pastor who had punched me, physically assaulted me, with no provocation too,, in front of a witness, backed up with a police report , cause I had refused to go to his church. An another Pentecostal pastor and even a church elder, were attempting to physically abuse me to stop my public revelations of his unacceptable acts, thefts of money too. and the same thing had happened to my own brother on another occasion and he too had called the police and reported the matter who also had experience physical assault attempt by a Plymouth Brethren pastor. But none of this should be a surprise when a pastor’s authority, financial security is threatened ehh..
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“Opposition parties are threatening to vote down this week’s much-anticipated Conservative budget because it contains a potentially contentious proposal to permanently slash taxes for middle-class Canadians. While the Conservatives say the tax cuts will help working families during a challenging economic era, the Liberals say the rollback is ill-advised and will do little to stimulate the economy. “If the permanent tax cuts were very large, we would be very concerned, partly because it would saddle future generations with a big debt and a permanent deficit,” Liberal finance critic John McCallum told CTV’s Question Period Sunday. McCallum added that the tax reductions will be an ineffectual stimulus because people are more likely to save extra money during recessionary periods. And if the Tory budget fails to deliver what’s best for Canada, McCallum said the Liberals will have little option than to vote it down. ” Harper’s budget seems to be more of his political buying toys over rally kick starting the economy. Something he Harper had promised he would not do as well. Canadians should be skeptical of any new spending announcements by Harper’s administration. The moves are an attempt to cement public support for Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s minority government . “Their track record when it comes to putting shovels in the ground is the worst of any recent government at any level in terms of actually getting things built and money spent,” , Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy also lamented that Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government has spent only 20 percent of previously announced infrastructure funding.
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Thanks for your email, as I can’t answer for all the rest I can tell you that I have spent not one penny of the publics money on alcohol.
With regards
Ron R. Schuler, MLA
AND WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THEM?
Now we have revelaltion in Sept 2009 of alcohol abuse in Ontario too
And why did it take so long to investigate and take action when this was brought out before in the past?
The “culture of entitlement” at the lottery corporation appears to be a deep-rooted problem that will not be solved by the new procedures put in place by Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, said Kevin Gaudet, federal director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
I am also now outraged over Conservatives travel expenses. “We should be outraged over travel expenses.. Toronto Star published a story on Nov. 22 detailing what appeared to be exorbitant travel expenses for federal government cabinet ministers and some public servants. Firstly Considering the state of the economy at this time and the fact the federal government will be returning to deficit financing, it should not only be encouraging federal travellers to fly economy class but insist on it. The Star said its investigation found spending by ministers, political staff and bureaucrats to be far from the frugal image of the Harper government. “Some federal travellers can’t seem to get to London, England, for less than $6,000, even though economy seats were available for $1,000 to $2,000,” the Star said. “In our analysis of 60,000 travel records over four years, we found $18,000 flights to Australia, $7,000 flights to Paris, $11,000 flights to Indonesia and $8,000 flights to Switzerland. The Alberta environment minister and an aide spent $3,200 each to fly to Bali for a United Nations conference on climate change. Former federal environment minister John Baird spent $10,920 for a flight to the same conference. Add in three political aides and two bureaucrats at similar rates and the total airfare cost to the Canadian taxpayer was $61,000. The Star said it found that Harper’s ministers often travel with a large entourage at high cost. The Star said it found that while both had been big spenders, “most Conservative ministers spent slightly more than the Liberals they once accused of being lavish spenders.” However, Tony Clement wasn’t one of them. The then-Conservative health minister travelled economy to Kenya and Tanzania to visit health clinics and deliver a $150,000 government cheque. However, the whole trip wasn’t done on the cheap. For some unexplained reason Clement allowed two aides to sit up front in executive class at $11,000 a pop, bringing the total cost to $30,000 to deliver a $150,000 aid cheque.” http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1402617 .
The federal government should take immediate action to control interest rates and fees on consumer credit cards because those climbing costs are choking consumers and businesses amid the deepening recession, says Senator Pierrette Ringuette. Ringuette, a Liberal from New Brunswick, argues the upcoming federal budget is a golden opportunity for Conservative Finance Minister Jim Flaherty to tackle the controversial issue of regulation. Caps on interest and other fees are firmly on the political agenda in other countries. But with no clear sign that such measures are in the works here, Ringuette is urging members of the upper chamber to champion the cause. As Flaherty unveils his budget in the lower house on Tuesday, Ringuette will lay the groundwork to revive a motion for the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce to probe Canada’s credit card and debit card systems. In addition to scrutinizing consumer rates, she wants to examine other behind-the-scenes charges including interchange and merchant discount rates. “Canadians must be boiling mad right now because nobody is paying attention to the consumer,” Ringuette said. She questions how the economy can rebound if consumers and businesses must absorb higher costs on “Canadians must be boiling mad right now because nobody is paying attention to the consumer,” Ringuette said. She questions how the economy can rebound if consumers and businesses must absorb higher costs on credit cards at a time when many are struggling to stay afloat. Other countries, meanwhile, have bolstered regulations. In December, American regulators announced sweeping changes, including a new rule to protect consumers from interest-rate increases on existing account balances. Taking effect in 2010, that change means credit card companies can only raise interest rates on new cards, future purchases and advances. http://www.thestar.com/business/article/576545
Tom Flanagan, a former Harper campaign organizer and strategist, said Harper has transformed from a conservative ideologue to a political survivor, but remains a victim of his own dark side. “Both sides are real … but what you see more and more is the political Harper,” said Flanagan, author of the acclaimed Harper’s Team: Behind the Scenes in the Conservative Rise to Power.
Flanagan said the “Machiavellian” side is far more troubling than his political transformation, given that it almost cost him his government. “He lost the initiative by provoking the other parties into this potential coalition against him … and now he finds himself having to put together a budget which is really a coalition budget … the government’s hand is fairly weak right now.”” Toronto Star
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has made tax cuts a top priority since he was first elected as the leader of the Conservative party but has he rather made things worse now?
Harper also accused of ditching principles to keep power. The same person who revered his conservative ideology is clearly now he’s sacrificing it for political expediency. From the Senate to fixed-date elections , government appointments, defecits, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has sent his political principles into the waste bin. “”We will not be running a deficit. We will keep our spending within our means. It is that simple. The alternative is not a plan. It is just the consequence of complete panic, and this government will not panic at a time of uncertainty,” Harper told a Toronto audience on Oct. 7. Times change quickly and, with them, the politicians who rule .”Absolutely he has abandoned his principles … I don’t even recognize this person who is the Prime Minister of Canada,” said Gerry Nicholls, who worked with Harper at the National Citizens Coalition. Harper is a one-time head of the coalition, a non-partisan organization for the “defence and promotion of free enterprise, free speech” and accountable government. “He was a principled small-c conservative who believed that … conservative politicians should stick by their principles,” Nicholls said. “I think he began to care more about public-opinion polls than his principles.”
$1.5-billion in funding to boost training for laid-off workers including even those who are ineligible for Employment Insurance
$500-million in targeted support for older workers
$1-billion in funding for renovating social housing
$600-million for on-reserve aboriginal housing
$400-million for seniors’ housing
$75-million for housing for people with disabilities
$1-billion community adjustment fund for single-industry and resource towns hardest hit by this economic crisis (forestry, mining and agriculture communities). This national fund would have flexible criteria for applicants in order to help their communities adjust to the changing economic climate
$160-million for new investments in arts and culture
$150-million in forestry industry aid, including more than $100-million to develop new uses for forest products and $50-million to help promote the industry abroad as environmentally responsible
$550-million for farmers, including half a billion to help adjust to tough times and $50-million to expand slaughterhouse capacity
• Supreme Court appointments. In December, Harper appointed Thomas Cromwell of the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal to the Supreme Court, bypassing a parliamentary hearing process he championed to more openly scrutinize nominees.
• Government appointments. The Prime Minister had promised to implement a public appointments commission to eliminate cronyism in such appointments. It was to be part of the government’s much-vaunted Accountability Act. It never happened and, since winning its first minority government in January 2006, the Tory government has made some 1,500 appointments, many based on political pedigree.
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Only the US cops drive drunk now?
An off-duty cop slammed his car into the front of Tiffany’s flagship Fifth Avenue store at 3 a.m. in a crash that investigators suspect may have been alcohol related, police sources said. The car – with the officer behind the wheel – plowed into a garbage truck at the corner of 57th St. and Fifth Ave. before careening onto the sidewalk at 3 a.m., The impact was strong enough that the three occupants had to be cut out of the vehicle. All were hospitalized. DWI charges are likely. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cop_crashes_into_tiffany_booze_suspected_7GIcYrovjcWQis8PAaDtsK
October 17, 2008
How can a now Alberta redneck now get it so wrong,
Many conservative pundits today are trying desperately to warn their fellow Americans that Barack Obama has been linked to various far-left organizations, but it still is in reality it is really unfair to the Bible, Christianity, to try to link all socialists as communists, unbiblical. For unlike most evangelicals these days and their churches denominations who wrongfully do not care about any of the others, only themselves it seems, Jesus, the Apostles, Apostle James included, and deacons care about both the good physical and spiritual welfare of the flock, of all persons, the poor and needy, the sick persons too.. they were Both conservatives and liberal- socialist sas well.. not basically Republicans. Judas was clearly the sole Republican..
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(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
(1 Cor 5:11 KJV) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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One thing is still very clear the too often pretentious news media and the too often pretentious politicians, Mr. Duceppe ironically is one of the worst MP I talked to personally, are not actively doing their jobs in helping people to be informed, having the proper facts to be able to make the proper decisions, take the proper actions, so do thank God for the existence of the internet, no matter how imperfect now it itself is as well.. it offers now at least some valid truths to the discerning readers.
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http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/letters/story.html?id=f4127e33-5e4f-4225-a2e3-d68bdfd3e36b
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/all-time-top-posts/
A picture is worth a 1000 words? so what about a movie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX20u1Y_iik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivWq14vsIU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEdY0jy4GE&feature=channel
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the rich man’s social club
and surprisingly next I heard Jesus say to me,
” Paul what are you doing here?”
shocked I said in reply” I am worshipping in your house?”
and Jesus replied to me and said
” but these are the rich who persecute the poor people
so I ask you again what are you doing here?:
Embarrassed I shortly next left
and never came back to this bad church.
yet the people in that church were proud of their church,
their accomplishments..
it too was rather a rich man’s social club
and not a real church..
AND IT WAS in the Calgary First Christian Missionary Alliance Church, Stephen’s Harper’s church too
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/john-mccain-sarah-palin-barack-obama-and-joe-biden/
Many conservative pundits today are trying desperately to warn their fellow Americans that Barack Obama has been linked to various far-left organizations, but it still is in reality it is really unfair to the Bible, Christianity, to try to link all socialists as communists, unbiblical. For unlike most evangelicals these days and their churches denominations who wrongfully do not care about any of the others, only themselves it seems, Jesus, the Apostles, Apostle James included, and deacons care about both the good physical and spiritual welfare of the flock, of all persons, the poor and needy, the sick persons too.. they were Both conservatives and liberal- socialist sas well.. not basically Republicans. Judas was clearly the sole Republican..
September 26, 2008
Evangelcial Pastors do not have to break the law.

So, the Pulpit Initiative is not about…
· turning the church into a Political Action Committee
· allowing contributions to candidates
· any particular candidate or political party
· “political” speech
· endorsing or opposing candidates
The Pulpit Initiative is…
· a bold defense of the First Amendment’s Establishment, Free Exercise, and Free Speech clauses
· about protecting core religious expression
· only related to what a pastor says from his pulpit, for example, on a Sunday morning (i.e., not about voter guides, candidate appearances, or other “political” activities)
Certainly, congregations and a church’s leadership can tell pastors they don’t want names of candidates spoken from the pulpit. But that is very different from government censorship. To government regulators, today’s “Gospel” may well be words that are tomorrow’s “politics.” ADF has already defended Americans in many cases where publicly preaching words straight from the Gospel has led to censorship…and even jail. The bottom line is that no enforcement agency of the federal government should be telling a pastor what he can or cannot say from his pulpit about the Bible and his church’s teaching on the issues of the hour – even if the pastor’s sermon applies Scripture and church teaching to candidates and elections. Such agencies certainly cannot condition tax-exempt status–a status churches have always been constitutionally guaranteed since our founding–on the surrender of cherished First Amendment rights. In fact, for 166 years, churches freely preached directly on political candidates’ qualifications for office. That was no problem when the Constitution was signed, or when the first Commissioner of Internal Revenue was appointed in 1862, or when the federal income tax was authorized by the 16th Amendment in 1913. Nor were churches transformed into political machines. When the IRS code was amended in 1954 to ban “intervention” in political campaigns, it was an act of political retaliation by then-Sen. Lyndon Johnson against two anti-communist groups. It had nothing to do with “church politicking,” and scholars agree that churches were not the target of the regulation. ADF has the U.S. Constitution and the weight of American history on its side. Those who oppose the Pulpit Initiative have yet to make one constitutionally-derived argument against it. It is ironic that they laud the “separation of church and state” in opposition to the Pulpit Initiative, but by opposing the initiative, are asking for continued government control and censorship of a pastor’s sermon.The pulpit is no place for government regulators.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2008/09/pulpit_initiative_about_freedo.html
Pastors do not have to break the law. They can merely live by faith in God to provide and now discontinue from giving out tax receipts on all donations and thus be free to speak as any ordinary citizen can. The Bible does not prohibit them from doing this now as well l ike Rev George Mueller did too. http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/05/28/rev-george-muller/
August 25, 2008
FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICALS AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS
1 Cor 15:33 Do not be so deceived {and} misled! Evil companionships (communion, associations) corrupt {and} deprave good manners {and} morals {and} character.
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived {and} deluded {and} misled; God will not allow Himself to be sneered at (scorned, disdained, or mocked by mere pretensions or professions, or by His precepts being set aside.) For whatever a man sows, that is (also) what he will reap. ( he can reap too what others have sowed now too)
2 Tim 3:13 But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving {and} leading astray others and being deceived {and} led astray themselves.
Acts 20:29 KJV For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. (Acts 20:30 KJV) Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/little-red-riding-hood-meets-pinocchio-in-church/
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Billy Graham Is God judging him now so that all men will see this before Graham goes on to hell where all pagans go? You figure it out please. His vast cash flow at this time is obscene in view of the historic heritage of godly men over the ages, beginning with our Lord. Billy Graham in no way can justify a true need for the cash flow he enjoys. I wonder how many missionaries could go to the field if this giving were re-directed, leaving Graham enough for his needs alone? “Evangelism” is how Graham first justified his invitation to the saints to give to his needs. Don’t tell me, “He is worthy.” That is a lot of bunk. Vast wealth is never justified when we KNOW that the Lord of Harvest chooses the poor and plain saints to do His work.
Also, there is no justification, as far as I know, for the vast sums now being used to undergird the BGEA as the organization comes to a grinding halt as an evangelistic entity. The end of everything comes one day or another, and the hangers-on need to move on and find other things to do. Yet, the groupies cling to the wasting body of the big man like a pack of house cats to a dying widow. In fact, I have wondered if Graham is not being propped up in the corner in a near comatose state as the troops shift and shuffle the cash.
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/resource/christian_news_1999_graham.htm
Note this When a Church, it’s pastor is wrong on one doctrine you can be assured there are many other errors too.
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Generally, mostly it is the insecure people in God, because of their still unresolved guilt, who falsely have an emphasis on forced evangelism, and they falsely do support enforced, forced tithing because they do not have enough of a relationship with God for HIM to supply all of their needs for their ministry. It should be noted that Jesus himself and the Original apostles had never requested tithing, and clearly they had not relied on tithing for all of their missionary endeavours. They trusted God for their leading and their needs to be met Jesus himself and the Original apostles financial request lay solely in helping the poor Christians. These same people generally are falsely trying to find God’s favour not by faith in Jesus Christ but falsely by their religious good efforts as they clearly still do not know what faith in God means..
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Romans 3 : 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
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Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. https://witnessed.wordpress.com/2014/10/10/tithing-2/
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No matter what the goal is, or how valueable it maybe, leading others to Christ included, the ends do not justify the means by anyone, pastors, elders, deacons, others , and cheating, lying, stealing included now.. How you get there is as important as where you are going. Asked also now Moses and all the people of Israel who missed the promised Land cause they had simply refused to do it God’s way.
“Andrew Strom says there are 9 Lies in the Church; Truth Watch agrees, but has he got the Right Answers?
An itinerant evangelist and preacher, Andrew Strom [AS] has recently posted a document on his website listing what he calls ‘nine lies’ afflicting today’s church. Truth Watch has reproduced Andrew’s nine lies because we are encouraged that some Charismatics and Pentecostals are aware that there is something amiss in many of their churches. Some of Andrew’s points support the objectives and claims made by Truth Watch. We agree with much of the criticism that AS offers regarding the state of the church. Sadly though, AS ends up looking in the wrong places for solutions.
[AS] “It is a sad fact that today’s church is deceiving itself in some very crucial areas. (Actually in many other areas now too) Below are some plain facts that may shock a few people”:
[TW] Andrew’s [AS] opening statement is correct and accords with the premises contained in both our long and short declarations. More and more people appear to be recognising that there are some major problems in all of the evangelical church. (Not just in the Catholic, Pentecostal or Charismatic ones )
[AS] 1. “Ask Jesus into our heart” is not in the Bible. Neither is “Give your heart to the Lord”, or repeating a “sinner’s prayer”. These practices do not exist in Scripture at all. The subject of salvation is the most important subject in the Bible and we are being lied to about it. These doctrines are a total fabrication. They were invented to make salvation “quick and convenient” Many church members today who are relying on these things are clearly not ‘saved’ at all”. ( Accept now Jesus Christ as lord of your life is!)
[TW] AS is quite correct. This disturbing phenomenon has been apparent for a long time. A watered down gospel is ‘another gospel’ and is forbidden by Paul (Galatians 1:6-10). Because so many people are sold ‘cheap grace’ there are probably many in the church who are not really saved, many of whom leave. The church has suffered from this problem ever since Finney introduced such easy-believism ideas and techniques 150 years ago 9 (Even by the evangelists DL Moody) . Ray Comfort has also correctly identified that claims concerning ‘decisions’ at many evangelistic events are misinterpreted as genuine conversion. This results in inflated figures that are used to support such techniques. True Biblical evangelism includes an emphasis on the sinful nature, God’s holiness and repentance, not just love and grace.
[AS] 2. “Church buildings do not exist in the Bible. They were invented around 200-300 AD, when the church was in serious decline. Only a backslidden church could fall so far away from the simplicity of the early church. Church buildings are anti-New Testament, and bring with them a host of problems and traditions. It was basically when the church fell into the hands of Rome that this concept of the “cathedral” really took over. And we are still spending millions on these monuments today”.( and the tithe itself now was not used to support any church buildings, but solely the poor people and the church workers and their families, and the people who received the tithe were not allowed to own any property as well)
[TW] While we are opposed to unwarranted and lavish expenditure on buildings, especially if the cause of the gospel is likely to suffer, the fact is that Scripture doesn’t address the issue of owning property. AS’s point is therefore made rather more strongly than needed. ( But when most Church Properties theses day are owned, managed by a Cooptation that is not fully, daily accountable to the direct congregation this is really unacceptable too)
His argument also misses an important point: for the first 200 years the churches could not own property freely as a persecuted and illegal sect. Even in the NT it is clear that the early church was open to meeting in public buildings (eg: Acts 19:8-10). It is interesting that as soon as they were permitted to do so many churches did buy or build their own facilities – implying there was no inherent opposition to ownership per se. Churches should be free to follow their consciences in this area, but should be open to a challenge based on a claim of unwise stewardship. This claim could be levelled at many churches today who spend a great deal of money on buildings at the expense of their willingness or ability to learn correct doctrine and spread the right gospel.
[AS] 3. “The ‘one pastor runs everything’ model is totally unscriptural. Far from running everything, in the book of Acts we find the word “pastor” NOT EVEN USED ONCE. (The early church did have strong leaders and elders. But it was never a “one man band” like we see today. And never was it so “controlling” either)”.
[TW] We are not sure what he implies when he says the word pastor is never used in Acts. It is used in Ephesians and only once. But his basic premise is quite correct. Many church leaders assume they have some sort of divine right to rule. They become ‘nicolaitans’ (‘heavy shepherding’ – Revelation 2:6) – those who like to exert power over the people, often leading them into error in the process. A pastor’s proper role is that of the shepherd (closely associated with teaching) equipping the people to be mature and active in the faith (eg: Ephesians 4:11-16). The problem is not pastors per se, but rather pastors who abuse their authority and role and refuse to bow to the Scriptural standards for shepherding a church.
[AS] 4. “Tithing” is not a New Testament practice at all. And it is being shamefully abused by today’s preachers. In the New Testament we are told to give cheerfully – whatever we purpose in our hearts to give. Telling people that they MUST give 10% to the church or they are “robbing God” is totally sick – and a money-grubbing way of twisting Scripture. There is no evidence that the apostles EVER preached ‘tithing’ to New Testament believers. It was clearly regarded as an Old Testament practice”.
[TW] AS’s makes his point rather simplistically but he is correct. Tithing at most establishes a guideline for voluntary NT giving but it is not mandatory. Sadly, many churches make tithing an article of faith. Nicolaitan pastors are often associated with a heavy emphasis on tithing. Some use money gathered in this way to support a lavish lifestyle and/or they waste it on foolhardy ventures.
[AS] 5. “The words “prosper” or ‘prosperity’ was NEVER used by Jesus at all – and only exist a couple of times in the entire New Testament. Yet greedy preachers have built whole kingdoms upon them. The words – “sell what you have and give to the poor” and “deceitfulness of riches” and “you cannot serve God and mammom” and “woe to you that are rich” were DEFINITELY used by Jesus and the apostles. But we don’t hear these things preached too much, do we?”
[TW] We have made a feature of decrying the so called ‘faith-prosperity gospel’. It is a shameful deceit that will not go unpunished. It brings the Word of God and the witness of true Christians unjustifiably into disrepute (see 2 Peter 2:17-19). AS is quite right. Nicolaitanism, the false tithing message and faith-prosperity are often associated.
[AS] 6. “There were no Bible Colleges, Seminaries or degrees in the New Testament. The only people who seemed to have “Bible Schools” were the Scribes and Pharisees! The apostles were simple fishermen and tax collectors. It is likely that a number of them could not even read or write. What was their “qualification” for being in the ministry? Simply that they had SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH JESUS. The fact that people expect a “professional clergy” today with degrees from Bible College has helped to make the church sicker and more unscriptural than ever. Simple humble people with a calling from God often cannot get to minister because they do not have a “piece of paper” to make them ‘qualified’.-Yet another disaster for the church.”
[TW] While biblical scholarship is not wrong per se it is true that an over-emphasis on theological studies, as the main criteria for pastorship, is wrong. It is wrong because it is dangerous. A person’s gifting and calling for leadership and teaching comes from God, not a theological college. However, it does not follow that formal theological, (cemetary training ) is inherently wrong.
It makes sense for a group of churches to pool pastoral training expertise and resources – but any such institutions or arrangements should be orientated to serving the churches and training pastors as a priority. Pastors and elders should emerge from within the church, not from seminaries. A danger here is to overreact and deny the need for proper training – leading to poorly taught leaders who are weak in the Word and vulnerable to deception and sin. ( Sadly getting a seminary degree does not mean one is holy sprit filled, nor even Christian for that matter)
[AS] 7. “There is almost no evidence whatsoever that the early church had their “main meeting” on a Sunday. They gathered together ‘from house to house’ virtually every day! There were no church buildings. They did not dress up and “go to church”. There were no denominations. There were no separate groups with different ‘labels’. They lived their lives together – all the Christians in the local area. Love and fellowship and ‘koinonia’ were as natural to them as breathing. And the apostles in Jerusalem preached every day at huge open-air gatherings. -Not “hidden away” inside four walls. This was truly a “street church” in every way.” ( actually there church meetings stared on the first day of the week, and they started Saturday at 6.00 pm and continued likely till the wee hours of Sunday morning, and similar meetings were often held during many other days of the week too)
[TW] AS is just plain wrong on this point. Christians may have met everyday in the very first days, but they also shared all in common (Acts 2:44-46). Most Christians don’t see this early post-Pentecost situation as normative for today (does Andrew believe we should share everything?). It is clear that the later regular practice of NT churches was to meet regularly once a week for public worship on the 1st day (Sunday)/”Lord’s Day” (eg: Acts 20:6-7; 1 Corinthians 16:1-3 cf Revelation 1:10).
Early historical examples of Sunday worship:
AS should also refer to the Diadache (written sometime between 70-120AD – believed by most scholars to be the earliest church document outside the NT)
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/didache.html
14:1 But every Lord’s day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure
(Chapter 11 shows they already had problems with many false prophets!)
Sunday worship in Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (c115AD) Chapter IX
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-17.htm#P1504_264385
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death
Sunday worship in Epistle of Barnabas (c100AD) Chapter XV(15)
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-41.htm
Ye perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this, ] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead and when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.
We could give many other examples, and this all 300 years before Constantine made Sunday ‘official’ (but he was only recognising the actual practice of the churches).
AS rightly points out that there were no denominations in the NT. However, there were hardly the numbers to allow this or time for many errors to arise in a coherent manner. Unfortunately today denominations are a necessary evil if Christians are to worship in conscience freely yet still recognise each other as Christians. To force us all into one church necessarily leads to ecumenical ‘control-from-the-top’ or doctrinal compromise – the very things Andrew opposes!
A better solution to these percieved issues is not to abolish Lord’s Day worship, but to promote a consistent church life through the week and to seek unity based on a common committment to the Truth. [For more on this issue see our article on church unity]
[AS] 8. “The idea that you can replace the moving of the Holy Spirit with programs, programs and more programs just shows how low we have sunk. Man-made programs are everywhere today. The early church had much more of God and much less of ‘man’.”( One of the most boring events in life is to sit through these predictable unspiritual, sad events still too)
[TW] AS fails to say that the Spirit speaks through the Word ( but even then not solely and the Holy Spirit still uses Prophecies now as well) , or that we need to return to the Word ( Firstly meaning Jesus Christ) . Hence he leaves the door open to people having “words” claimed to be of the Spirit. Such “words” are often used to justify unbiblical practices. This may be AS’s achilles heel. He has talked of going to set up a ministry in Kansas City, USA. If this means he plans to work with the so called Kansas City prophets it suggests AS’s doctrine in regard to the Spirit and the Gifts of the Spirit is flawed. [For further information read our letter to the pastor of the Upper Hutt City Fellowship concerning Rick Joyner]
[AS] 9. We preach a ‘humanistic’ Jesus today. – A Jesus who exists mainly for our own “happiness”. A Santa Claus who wants to rain down continual blessings upon us. A God of grace and mercy without judgement, righteousness or truth. Our gross misrepresentation of who Jesus really is, is one of the most serious offences of the modern church. Today’s church seems to worship a “plastic” Jesus – one that she has made in her own image. What an offence to God.
A lot of preachers are well aware that there is some thing very wrong with the church today. (It is mostly the preachers themselves that are not right with God) They know there is little ‘fear of the Lord’. They know there is no deep repentance or deep moving of the Holy Spirit. They know that it is just the same old “game” being played every week. A lot of them are very aware of this. But they will not do anything about it. They will not rock the boat. And they will “squash” anyone who comes along trying to do something. They do not want a real “shaking”. There is too much to lose. They have their careers and their little ‘kingdoms’ at stake. This is the real truth of the matter. This is where the rubber truly meets the road.
That is why God is about to bring “Great Reformation”. He will not put up with these ‘hirelings’ any longer. He will not have them as leaders over His people. A lot of them are about to “lose their heads”. They will never lead God’s people again. This is what true ‘Reformation’ is all about. It is the process of replacing the old leadership and the old lies. -It is David taking over from ‘Saul’.
There is a ‘New Wineskin’ coming. In fact it is upon us. There is a new leadership arising – many of them trained in the ‘wilderness’ for such a time as this. The hour is now here. LET THE NEW LEADERS ARISE! The sad fact is that today’s church has sunk so low that it is almost a matter of people needing to be RESCUED OUT OF HER. I never thought I would say something as radical as that, but it is the truth.
The entire church is living a lie. Many inside her are told continuously that they are “OK” – that they are saved and headed for heaven. Nothing could be further from the truth. Multitudes of them are headed directly for hell. The systemized LYING that is going on has deceived the leaders and the people alike. It is the blind leading the blind. We need to contend for these people – desperately. Much of the church is “lost”. They are mired in deception – an entire system of deception.”
[TW] Again, AS is generally right in his initial observations here, but his solutions badly miss the point. A true reformation only comes about through a faithful and repentant/prayerful return to the priority of the Word. Only as the church reforms in light of the Scriptures and becomes more faithful in proclaiming the gospel – can we regain hope of a genuine revival. Andrew’s over-emphasis on a supernaturally restored leadership is putting the cart before the horse. Godly leadership will only come from a return to the supremacy and priority of the Word and its associated truth. AS’s exaggerated view of the Spirit has distracted him. He needs to remember that the Holy Spirit comes to lead us into all truth, hence TW’s insistence on a return to a correct understanding of God’s Word. ” http://www.truthwatch.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=112
My concluding comment
Our actions must be founded on what we know to be true from God’s Word, and that what is being directed us personally to each one of us by the Holy Spirit, and to do that we all still do need to continually in reality live a Holy Sprit filled life. it starts by daily reading the Bible, having a Bible devotional, and sadly even most pastors do not do that too.
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
August 9, 2008
Libel on the net

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Human rights protest shelved Calgary Herald
A win for free speech? Hardly National Post
Two Years and $100000 Later: Ezra Levant Complaint Dismissed by … Lifesite
National Secular Society – National Post
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Anyway all Christians are governed by higher laws even that of showing love to others, meekness too, humility and purity too… not just whether they can be sued for libel, slander..
“Our US Constitution is one of our greatest assets in the fight against terrorism. A free-flowing marketplace of ideas, protected by the First Amendment, enables the ideals of democracy to defeat the totalitarian vision of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. That free marketplace faces a threat. Individuals with alleged connections to terrorist activity are filing libel suits and winning judgments in foreign courts against American researchers who publish on these matters. These suits intimidate and even silence writers and publishers. Under American law, a libel plaintiff must prove that defamatory material is false. In England, the burden is reversed. Disputed statements are presumed to be false unless proven otherwise. And the loser in the case must pay the winner’s legal fees. Consequently, English courts have become a popular destination for libel suits against American authors” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121599561708449643.html
Too many people still do believe in their own sole right of free speech still but they do next try to deny these same right of others by even threatening to sue them for libel, slander.. sound Familiar Mr Stephen Harper PM of Canada? or Bell Sympatico? or the Toronto Airport Fellowship Church pastors? Benny Hynn? etc.,’
Let’s face it in life there is a positive and a negative personal management style
just as there are good and bad persons, leaches included.. such as bad lawyers, bad cops, bad pastors, bad politicians too..
I am also fascinated as to how I can make the same post and get contrasting different responses to it..
(Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/libel-on-the-net/
Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the unrepentant guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest
We ALSO do still need to understand, define what abuse and what hate is, and an abuse is to deny a person’s legal, human rights, and hate is the clear opposite of love, meaning an unloving act.. Hate and Verbal abuse unrestrained often next do lead to physical abuse in reality too. And both hate and verbal, physical abuses are all unacceptable at all times too no matter who you are or who you think you are too. .
but honestly critiquing NOW certain individuals for their own unacceptable bad act is not always HATE. .
It is a false statement that if one makes any negative statement about Jews, Muslims, Arabs, white people, natives , etc., that one is a racist or promoting hatred.. one can be merely exercising one’s appropriate right of free speech, thought..
Now I had witnessed a Person committing immoral, illegal acts many times and when I rightfully reported it next to to the proper authorities, the clearly guilty person next had distorted the truths and lying had said I was promoting hatred towards him and his family, which clearly now was not so. I was a witness of the immoral acts still, unacceptable wrong doings.
Also I do not believe that everyone sets out to be a deliberate racist, it seems to be often merely a poorly thought out stupid mistake for 70 percent of the persons who do it, and many people once they realize what they have done next do even admit their errors and stop it, unfortunately there are the remaining few hate mongers who still do get carried away with their hatred, sins, who need to be incarcerated for their crimes so they can stop and learn not to do it..
(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Cops too seem to have it too easy in Canada, they do what they want, they abuse citizens and tend to get away with it too. Too many COPS, persons distort the LAW. it’s meaning still too.
“about the liars, thieves, ABUSERS, bullies, thugs, proud oppressors, war mongers “
THERE IS A VERY BASIC COMMON MISCONCEPTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ANY PERCEIVED EVEN INJUSTICES, ABUSES, ANYWHERE, IN THE CHURCH AS WELL, BESIDES IMMEDIATELY CALLING THE LOCAL POLICE..
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CLEAR HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.. COMMUNICATION – AND YOU DON’T FIRST POST IT ALL ON THE NET.
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and detail proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others.
Next God also is now fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..
I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.
WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT TO GOD DOES NOT MATTER.
APPROPRIATE PUBLIC EXPOSURE AND THE APPROPRIATE PROSECUTION OF THE GUILTY SERVES EVERYONE’S BEST INTEREST
FOR A GOOD NAME IS WORTH MUCH MORE THAN ANY AMOUNT OF SILVER OR GOLD AND A TARNISHED ONE IS WORTHLESS.
Now too often I myself also do not agree with the comments, free speech, but I merely tend to disregard it it next..
but what I do rightfully oppose still any and all free speech especially on the so called Christian Churches Internet sites, that is lying, slanderous, insulting, abusive, bullying, bashing.. such as the false bash of Pentecostals by the Brethren, Baptists, Reformed, etc., haters. Or the supposedly evangelical Baptist pastor who had said in the pulpit that he could not understand what Hitler did that was so bad, I helped to fire him , he now sells life insurance instead.. http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holo.html
( I heard a local Muslim recently say the same thing to me, he could not uderstand what Hiltler did that was so bad? and so I asked him what he thought next if I will posted a cartoon on the net with the picture of his so called prophet saying the same thing.. he next quickly got red and objected to it..)
and even here now we all do still have 2 free speech alternatives.. we can post our rebuttal, objections on their Internet site or ours..
or next even take the matter further to the news media, or before the provincial Human Right Commissions, and others too..
for not all justice is handled in the courts of Law or by a lawsuit.
Do see also
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/changing-yourself-first-positively/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/libel-2/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/libel/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/another-bully/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/woe-to-the-shepherds/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/just-by-me-merely-observing/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/amazing/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/equality/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/christians-are-supposedly-to-be-different/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/unchristian/
I am also fascinated as to how I can make the same post and get contrasting different responses to it..
(Eph 4:32 KJV) And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/libel-on-the-net/
I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.
Now too often I myself also do not agree with the comments, free speech, but I merely tend to disregard it it next..
but what I do rightfully oppose still any and all free speech especially on the so called Christian Churches Internet sites, that is lying, slanderous, insulting, abusive, bullying, bashing.. such as the false bash of Pentecostals by the Brethren, Baptists, Reformed, etc., haters. Or the supposedly evangelical Baptist pastor who had said in the pulpit that he could not understand what Hitler did that was so bad, I helped to fire him , he now sells life insurance instead.. http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holo.html
( I heard a local Muslim recently say the same thing to me, he could not uderstand what Hiltler did that was so bad? and so I asked him what he thought next if I will posted a cartoon on the net with the picture of his so called prophet saying the same thing.. he next quickly got red and objected to it..)
and even here now we all do still have 2 free speech alternatives.. we can post our rebuttal, objections on their Internet site or ours..
or next even take the matter further to the news media, or before the provincial Human Right Commissions, and others too..
for not all justice is handled in the courts of Law or by a lawsuit.
Do see also
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/libel-2/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/libel/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/bullies-free-speech/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/
https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/another-bully/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/bad-pastors-bad-deacons-bad-elders-bad-church/
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/woe-to-the-shepherds/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/just-by-me-merely-observing/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/amazing/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/equality/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/christians-are-supposedly-to-be-different/
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/unchristian/
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