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March 20, 2009

Israel killed civilians without cause, and not the first time too.

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Did Israeli soldiers murder unarmed civilians again?  Remember also they did the same thing in Lebanon.. Mar 20, 2009 04:30 AM 

‘The most moral army in the world’ killed civilians without cause’ JERUSALEM–Israeli soldiers killed unarmed Palestinian civilians without provocation or warning and vandalized their property during this country’s January offensive in Gaza, say some of the soldiers who fought there. In one incident, Israeli soldiers apparently herded a Palestinian family into a single room of their house and left them there, while the troops took positions upstairs and also set up a sniper’s post on the roof. Several days later, soldiers instructed the family to leave the house, directing them to depart the area by heading to the right. They neglected to inform the sharpshooter on the roof what they were doing. One mother and her two children mistakenly turned to the left and were promptly shot dead by the rooftop sniper. “He shot them straight away,” the squad leader said during the college discussion. “I don’t think he felt too bad about it, because, after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given.” The same squad leader reported a general attitude of contempt for Palestinian civilians, a mindset that enabled Israeli soldiers to engage in callous or sometimes lethal behaviour. “I don’t know how to describe it,” he said. “The lives of Palestinians, let’s say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers.  “So, as far as they are concerned, they can justify it that way.”  In another incident, a company commander is said to have ordered his troops to shoot and kill an elderly woman walking past them at a distance of about 100 metres.  You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it – to write `Death to the Arabs’ on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can,” said a squad leader who opposed the order.  Oher soldiers described widespread abuses of property. “We would throw everything out the windows to make room and order,” said one soldier.  Everything in the house was tossed out the windows – refrigerators, plates, furniture. The order was to throw all of the house’s contents outside.” Human rights groups have harshly criticized the Israeli military for its conduct of the war in Gaza – including the use of white phosphorus, a chemical harmful to humans – but the reports published here yesterday were the first documented accounts by Israeli soldiers themselves about widespread abuses. According to the most recent Palestinian figures, 1,417 Gazans died during the three-week conflict, more than 920 of them civilians.  At least one Israeli organization, the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, puts the civilian death toll much lower. The college course at which the soldiers related their experiences was taught by Danny Zamir, who said he was “shocked” by what he heard and decided to publish a transcript of the discussion in a newsletter for course graduates.  http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/605363

 

The ends do not justify the means.. and does Stephen Harper and the Conservatives now also GIVE approval of all of this too? 

 

,,,the Harper government has moved to align Canada with Israel and its staunchest supporters. Canada is now the most “Israel, right or wrong” government in the world, except for the Israeli government itself. Even Barack Obama’s new administration, itself obviously pro-Israel, has uttered a few mild criticisms about settlements in East Jerusalem and the banning of certain trade with Gaza. But not the Harper government. Mum’s been the word. But do Canadians, while of course being supportive of Israel’s existence and security, really want their country to be the most completely aligned with Israel, especially now that it is to be led by a very right-wing coalition that doesn’t believe in a two-state “solution” to the Palestinian problem  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090323.wcosimp24/BNStory/specialComment/home
 
 
JERUSALEM (AP) — An increasingly disturbing picture of the Israeli army’s conduct in the Gaza war emerged Friday, as new witness accounts from Israeli troops described wanton vandalism to Palestinian homes, humiliation of civilians and loose rules of engagement that resulted in unnecessary civilian deaths. They also have echoed Palestinian allegations that Israel’s assault did not distinguish between civilians and combatants, at a time when some international human rights groups contend Israel violated the laws of war. Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 in what it said was an effort to end years of Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza. The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which conducted a survey of casualties, says a total of 1,417 people were killed, including 926 civilians during the 22-day offensive. “Shoot and don’t worry about the consequences,” was the message from the top commanders, he said. Speaking of a lieutenant colonel who briefed the troops, Mr. Marmor said, “His whole demeanor was extremely gung ho. This is very, very different from my usual experience. I have been doing reserve duty for 12 years, and it was always an issue how to avoid causing civilian injuries. He said in this operation we are not taking any chances. Morality aside, we have to do our job. We will cry about it later.  Israeli ethicists say they are troubled by what they have heard. “Unfortunately, I think that selective use of killing civilians has been very much on the agenda for fighting terror,” said Yaron Ezrahi, a political scientist at Hebrew University who has been lecturing at defense colleges. “The army believes that a weak spot of Israeli deterrence is its strong commitment not to kill civilians, and there has grown the sense that it might have to temporarily overcome that weakness in order to restore deterrence.”  ” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD97204S80
   
a squad commander was quoted as saying: “What’s great about Gaza — you see a person on a path, he doesn’t have to be armed, you can simply shoot him. In our case it was an old woman on whom I did not see any weapon when I looked. The order was to take down the person, this woman, the minute you see her. There are always warnings, there is always the saying, ‘Maybe he’s a terrorist.’ What I felt was, there was a lot of thirst for blood.” http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/africa/21gaza.php
   
 One soldier asserted that extremist rabbis had told troops they were fighting a holy war.The soldier was quoted as saying that the rabbis had “brought in a lot of booklets and articles,” adding, “their message was very clear: We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle. God brought us back to this land, and now we need to fight to expel the non-Jews who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/world/middleeast/21gaza.html?ref=world
  
The Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the unrepentant  guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest

So still now  what really is needed  firstly is not more CHEAP, PRETENTIOUS  self regulations,   the supposed discipline of their members , or even their ensuring their education, but real INSPECTIONS, EFFECTIVENESS , competency testing. 

 For it is a fact that anything that will put a self regulating body or a Ministry into a negative light will have a built in  tendency still to be denied,   suppressed, minimized in reality, to be ineffective .  

 There in reality is the main  one important step that all consumers can take to protect themselves from any unscrupulous persons  and that is enforced, exemplary public exposure and prosecution of the supposedly guilty persons by a recognized judicial public body,  and so now how many such bad persons now have really been exposed, prosecuted in the last few years in reality too by the responsible Ministers as well?  None? and why not?   

 
Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty serves very ones best interest… too often still missing in the PROFESSIONAL BODIES, EVEN IN THE RCMP, police   forces, churches, ALL GOVERNMENTS  as well it seems too.

Still   “about the DRUNKS, LIARS, THIEVES, ABUSERS, bullies, thugs, proud oppressors, war mongers “ 

THERE IS A  VERY BASIC COMMON MISCONCEPTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ANY PERCEIVED EVEN INJUSTICES, ABUSES, ANYWHERE, IN THE CHURCH AS WELL, BESIDES IMMEDIATELY CALLING THE LOCAL  POLICE..
 
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CLEAR HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.. COMMUNICATION – AND YOU DON’T FIRST POST IT ALL ON THE NET.
 
First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and   proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others.
 
Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..
 
I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.
 
WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT TO GOD DOES NOT MATTER.

THE POLICE, RCMP, MINISTERS, GOVERNMENT CONSULTANTS THESE DAYS, IMMIGRANT CONSULTANTS TOO  IT SEEMS , SEEM TO BE ANOTHER WORD FOR ABUSERS, THIEVES, LIARS CROOKS. SO WE ALL NEED TO DEAL WITH IT MORE EFFECTIVELY NOW TOO.

  

We ALSO do  still need to understand, define what UNACCEPTABLE abuse and what UNACCEPTABLE hate is, and unacceptable abuse is to  deny a person’s legal, human rights, and hate is the clear opposite of love, meaning an unloving act.. Hate and  Verbal abuse unrestrained often next do lead to physical abuse in reality too.  And both hate and verbal, physical abuses are  all unacceptable at all times too no matter who you are or who you think you are too. .
 
but honestly critiquing  NOW certain individuals for their own unacceptable bad act is not always HATE. .
 
It is a false statement that if one makes any negative statement about anyone, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, white or black, Asian people, natives , etc., that one is  a racist or promoting hatred.. maybe one is merely exercising one’s appropriate right of free speech, thought..
 
Now I had witnessed a Person committing immoral, illegal acts many times and when I rightfully reported it next to to the proper authorities, the clearly  guilty  person next  had distorted the truths and lying had said I was promoting hatred towards him and his family, which clearly now was not so. I was a witness of the immoral acts still, unacceptable wrong doings. 
 
Also I do not believe that everyone sets out to be a deliberate racist, it seems to be often merely a poorly thought out stupid mistake for 70 percent of the persons who do it, and many people once they realize what they have done next do even admit their errors and stop it, unfortunately there are the remaining few hate mongers who still do get carried away with their hatred, sins, who need to be incarcerated for their crimes so they can stop and learn not to do it..
 
(Rev 2:4 KJV)  Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
 
(Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 
and  thou shall  love thy nieghbour as thyself always..
 
It is very clear that the Darby Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist  Christians to compensate for their failure to try to convert Jewish persons have come up with false reasons for not doing so as well
 
  
 
There actually is no Biblical basis, promises, prophecy for Israel reclaiming this land in the whole New Testament.. just more Old Testament Jewish spins.. http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/the-restoration-of/

 

3 F’s STEPHEN HARPER

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Honourable Conservative  Stephen Harper prime minister claims he is doing a good job.. good for him.. only 30 percent of Canadians support him in this still.. 30 percent support the New Democrats.. 30 percent support the Liberals.. it seems we have triplet support…

STEPHEN HARPER’S false DEFINITION OF A CONSERVATIVE PERSON IS ONE WHO HAS FAITH, A FAMILY, AND SUPPORTS FREEDOM

WOW! FUNNY THAT WAS ALSO WHAT THE LAST CONSERVATIVE PREMIER OF ONTARIO WAS LIKE THAT NOW TOO. A NON PRACTISING CONSERVATIVE, HE USED HIS FREEDOM TO DO HIS OWN THING.
 
Harper’s  definition of freedom seems to be a religious police state,  and it does not matter if you cheat, lie, steal, abuse others, are an alcoholic as long as you are married. It also it seems does not matter if you practice your religion too, as long as you have one..

>most libertarians, upset with Harper for calling out libertarians, insisting that Harper-style conservatism is significantly different from libertarianism, .. tells us is that the government ought to be small, and its functions severely limited…. it’s surprising that Harper would categorize his conservatism as an amalgamation of three fundamental “pillars” — Freedom, Faith, and Family.  Is Harper under the impression that individual liberty will lead to a mass abandonment of churches, a mass disintegration of society, the end of the nuclear family?  Libertarians are angry with Harper because he hasn’t made the government smaller, hasn’t cut taxes aggressively enough, and has seen fit to spend a boatload of money on a “stimulus” package that conservatives in the U.S. are decrying. Libertarians have been angry with Harper for the same reasons that fiscal conservatives have been angry with Harper. Why single out the libertarians? And it has more to do with insisting that Harper live up to what he used to say he believed  that he considered himself a “classical liberal,” which is just a synonym for libertarian). Andrew Coyne was right. We have very good reason to despise politics, and to hate what it does to people who become politicians. Stephen Harper used to be a libertarian. But, without explanation, he’s decided he isn’t one any longer, and he’s decided to pick a fight with libertarians.  http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/03/stephen-harper-vs-libertarians-the-continuing-saga.html

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The  past Ontario  premier he slept with a women who was not yet divorced from her husband.. not exactly exemplary family living.. then he called the police to suppress my freedom of speech on the matter.. and what religion did he really practice too now?

STEPHEN HARPER’S false DEFINITION OF A CONSERVATIVE PERSON IS EXACTLY THE DEFINITION I WOULD EXPECT FROM RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS WHO WANT FREEDOM OF RELIGION ENSURED. Harper is clearly trying to win back the support of the relgious right who feel he has led them down.. Harper for them he has not worked hard enough to oppose abortion, gays, all of the bad guys and gals, or to adequately promote religion as a professing Christian Evangelical..

I am surprised that the religious fundamentalists are not loudly objecting to this still Harper distortion too…

The biggest threat to families in Canada does not come from gay marriage, or abortion, or any of the other traditional social-conservative hobby-horses. It comes from divorce, since in Alberta there is no legal separation.. note this fact 30 percent of evangelical Christians practice divorce even cause many  pastors counsel it often, they are sex maniacs who like to keep their sex options open, even though God hates divorce. https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/divorce-and-remarriage-in-the-christian-church/ 

OTTAWA – Canadians are losing their jobs at the rate of one every 30 seconds but Prime Minister Stephen Harper is incapable of feeling their pain, NDP Leader Jack Layton said yesterday. After speaking to the NDP federal council, Layton said that while hundreds are losing their jobs daily, Harper would rather talk about how the country is doing relatively well. “You don’t get a sense from this government that Canadians are suffering. In fact, he’s out there trying to say everything is rosy or just about to be rosy … and I have said, `Take off the rose-coloured glasses and talk to some of the people who have been thrown out of work,'” Layton told reporters. “They don’t seem to get it,” said the NDP leader, reminding reporters that Harper’s human resources minister, Diane Finley, recently said she wasn’t about to make Employment Insurance “lucrative for (the unemployed) to stay home and get paid for it.” In his speech, he accused Harper of making Canada’s economic downturn even worse by not acknowledging earlier that the country was headed into a recession.  Layton noted that since the October federal election, more than 300,000 Canadians have been thrown out of work, unemployment climbed to 7.7 per cent in February and the trade deficit has ballooned to $900 million. “Our economic straits are dire, but as we know we didn’t get here overnight … In September Stephen Harper was still claiming `the fundamentals of the Canadian economy are sound’ – yet another example that Stephen Harper is out of touch,” he said.  “By denying the problem, he has delayed our economic recovery.” http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/606565
 
PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER WRONGFULLY AND CLEARLY IS STILL BUSY SHORING UP SUPPORT FOR HIS CONSERVATIVE PARTY AND NOT RATHER WORKING HARD ENOUGH TO HELP ALL OF THE TROUBLED CANADIANS.
 

Hours Passed Before Doctors Saw Natasha Richardson – NYTimes.com

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/health/21richardson.html?ref=world
 
This was, is a very tragic death..  The simple explanation is that medical personnel tend not to be overly sympathetic to persons who have been hurt in a skiing accident. I know  I had two members of my family hurt in skiing accidents and the medical service was slow.. they were not sympathetic. BUT THERE IS NO SPECIFIC EVIDENCE THAT THE MEDICAL CARE SYSTEM ITSELF HAS BEEN AT FAULT HERE. Quebec’s medical care system is one of the best in Canada and it is still the patient’s personal reponsibility to insure they get the needed medical treatment  ASAP as well.. Richardson refused potentially life-saving treatment on scene shortly after her fall, and  she wasn’t wearing a ski helmet
 
 

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Sadly “OTTAWA — The actress Natasha Richardson, who died Wednesday from a brain hemorrhage after a fall on a beginners’ ski slope in Quebec, was not admitted to a hospital until nearly four hours after her accident, according to ambulance dispatch records obtained Friday by The New York Times.

That is nearly three hours later than the timeline that officials at the Mont Tremblant ski resort, about 90 minutes north of Montreal, offered Tuesday, the day after Ms. Richardson, 45, fell during a skiing lesson.

The first paramedics, who arrived at 1 p.m. Monday, were turned away after she declined treatment, ambulance records show, though they reported seeing her sitting on a stretcher — not laughing and walking off her fall, as a resort spokeswoman said Tuesday.

According to the resort, about an hour later another ambulance was summoned to her hotel after she complained of a headache. That ambulance, the resort said, took her to a local hospital.

But the ambulance records show that the second ambulance was not sent to her room until 3 p.m., Yves Coderre, the director of operations at Ambulances Radisson, which serves the resort under an arrangement with Quebec’s public health care system, said Friday in an interview.

The ambulance arrived nine minutes later and left the hotel at 3:42 p.m., arriving at the hospital in Ste. Agathe, about 25 miles from Mont Tremblant, at 4:20 p.m., where she was attended by a doctor for the first time.

Those discrepancies appeared to raise new questions about whether Ms. Richardson could have been saved had she been treated sooner. The New York medical examiner’s office ruled Ms. Richardson’s death an accident; the autopsy results suggested that the fall tore an artery and led to bleeding between Ms. Richardson’s skull and the outer lining of her brain.”

    

do see also https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/canadian-health-care/

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