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May 10, 2008

Christian and Missionary Alliance Corporation C&MA

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The short version- I really would not even try  to dignify the Alliance by referring to them as any kind of a church.. A political organization, a Corporation, yes.. for now they have clearly deviated in practise from their own  original beliefs and those of the Bible too.

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Do see  AB Simpson..

http://expattutor.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/an-explanation-for-the-horrific-abuse-many-christian-missionary-children-suffered-at-mamou-and-other-overseas-boarding-schools/

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2012/10/05/prairie-bible-institute-abuse-survivors-stand-for-survivors-abused-in-missionary-boarding-school/

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/no-abuse-is-acceptable-zero-tolerance/

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The CMA is a pretentious and one of the most demonic churches I have been too made up of lying hypocrites where the professing Christians not only abuse people, poor people included, but they indulge in Alcohol too often too.. “I know that as a minister in the C&MA I am called to abstain from drinking alcoholic beverages, here at Safe Harbor there are just a few of people who voluntary give up drinking. The majority of our church drinks: beer, wine, and of course margaritas. I do not have a problem with this. Some pastors would. I can sum up my position by quoting Derek Webb, “While I do not condone drunkenness, I do condone drinking”

https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/christian-missionary-alliance/

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EVEN IF A GROUP such as a Christian Missionary Alliance church HOLDS TO SOME VALID TRUTHS SUCH AS
– Jesus Christ is the sole Savior, Lord of your life.
– The concept of the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. Praise & Worship emphasized as a means to usher (1) in God’s presence and (2) to usher God’s people into His presence. Singing in the spirit congregationally, I.e. in other tongues. The “song of the Lord” a prophetic song or one in other tongues but interpreted
– The belief that God has now restored all the ministry gifts back to the Church, especially the office of the prophet and apostle {this is where today’s prophetic/apostolic move comes from}.
– The practice of laying on of hands to be filled with the Holy Spirit (and the evidence of speaking in other tongues).
– The practice of laying on of hands to impart spiritual gifts
– The belief Christians can be demonized and need to be delivered through the laying on of hands.
– Divine healing is obtained by faith and also is imparted via the laying on of hands
– Emphasis on spiritual warfare
– Emphasis on personal and directive prophecy
– Anointed Women have a full and equal ministry role in the Church, I.e. women pastors, prophetesses, elders, etc.
– The Rapture, the second coming of Christ is inevitable, soon
– Emphasis on Missions, evangelism, the Bible, a Pastor..
 The same group can still be false, led by false men and not by the Holy Spirit.

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I look at what they practise over what they preach to others..

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It seems that many people, professing Christians included now,  tend to personally only seek God only when they have serious needs, problems or they do want something really bad and next when the problem is solved, or they got what they wanted, they next often tend to, do seem to forget about God again? But even all Christians now still do have major problems in life.. for there is a real devil who troubles us personally all of our life and we we are to resist him in the faith.. True happiness cannot be in reality achieved without having a continual, personal relationship with God here on earth and us continually knowing and following solely his will of our life too, instead of Idols.    Why is God jealous of idols before us? well it means he is envious for our own good.. he strives for all things to be our good… What idols? what ever replaces God is an idol.. what ever you falsely worship as substitute for God. And it can be drugs, booze, sex, or your wife, son , daughter, a persons, car,  self, even your church, your pastor, your denomination, your own doctrines, beliefs, … for we all had or  have a god shaped vacuum in our life.. but  filling it with extremes or  false substitutes, junk will never be acceptable to God. Never. If you still do have a God shaped vacuum that is unfilled, then no other things, no relationships or careers, goals, next will satisfy you, not even any personal, social, community relationships, acts.  Hey I also have learned long time ago that merely telling the truth to some people will not work, they have their false idols, false lies they still want to handle, and they will take the Ostrich approach to the truth, but hopefully the truth will next still help some people.
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Many persons were, are  not aware that the Alliance church is classiffied as a Pentecostal church, for they do also have some similar doctrines too, healing, laying on off hands -impartation, although they the Alliance do not encourage today the gift of speaking in tounges.. but they do not forbid it. They basically also seem to lack practising love for others as well in reality. But (Rev 3:19 KJV)  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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It is very ironic that I have often said that if you really want to know how spiritual someone is, do first see how they do in regard their emphasis on the  importance of money, for their related greed for it will show their true spiritual values, or rather the lack of it. It is thus  interesting that the CMA disputes causing News headlines was over money. Many persons already are too often rightfully complaining that too many evangelical pastors even are too often still  greedy for filthy lucre, and they really do not care about the spiritual welfare, physical needs of others.
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It is absurd for anyone to now even to try to hoodwink me as to how supposedly spiritually the Christian Missionary Alliance Church is as well, rather in truth the CMA Corporation now is supposedly. It would not work for I already do know the much too many negative truths about the CMA  firsthand and for many decades now too. No amount of whitewash can cover up their real dirty plays still too as I have seen firsthand.
 
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For  many years I have had nothing but bad experience with 4 of the Canadian Christian Missionary Alliance churches, and they had lied to me, abused me.. undeniable facts I have detailed to all the Canadian members of Parliament, and to the major Canadian News editors, and posted it on the net.. this was a church composed mostly of liars, thieves, imposters and pretenders in my witness… it is not  a real Christian Church for sure.  It is merely a pretend church mostly in my real experiences, wittness.
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CHURCH ‘OCCUPIED’ AFTER OFFICES RANSACKED By Dave Tombers, World Net Daily

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Why is church denomination cannibalizing its congregations? Churches belonging to an evangelical Christian denomination are being broken into, their offices ransacked, financial records taken, their utilities cut off, their doors padlocked and their property sold out from under them.

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Is it those radical Islamists persecuting Christians again? Perhaps North Korea’s secret police? Homosexual activists venting their rage against supporters of biblical marriage? Overzealous government bureaucrats taking their notion of separation of church and state too far?

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No. No. No. No.

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It’s the denomination’s own leaders!

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Now, one plundered Southern California congregation is resisting the best way it know how … COMPLETE STORY: Congregation battles officials’ attempt to shut worship center  http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/church-occupied-after-offices-ransacked/

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Paramus  CMA congregation locked out; scrambling for place to hold Christmas services Thursday, December 15, 2011 http://www.northjersey.com/news/135717693_Congregation_locked_out.html

PARAMUS – Members of the Community Church of Paramus have been barred from their place of worship as a result of a court decision, leaving them scrambling to find a location to celebrate Christmas services. Locks were changed Wednesday following a decision by Superior Court Judge Harry G. Carroll to grant possession of the Cedar Lane church property to the Metropolitan District of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, of which the church was an accredited member. The Alliance is a Protestant evangelical denomination with more than 2,000 churches nationwide in the US. Deacon Peter Ferriero said he begged an Alliance district superintendent Wednesday for permission to allow the church to worship through Christmas, to no avail. “That’s not a Christian thing to do,” Ferriero said of the Alliance’s move. “Where is the forgiveness regardless of who is right and wrong?” The church, which has owned the property since 1929 but only joined the Alliance 10 to 15 years ago, requested a stay this week to allow members access while they appeal. The motion is scheduled to be argued today. “The Community Church of Paramus has a number of religious activities scheduled for the Christmas week which have been planned for a considerable period of time and had been anticipated by the parishioners,” E. Allen MacDuffie, the church’s attorney, said in his request. “Additionally, the Community Church of Paramus had provided food and religious solace at the Thanksgiving holiday and plans also on Christmas Eve to extend the joys of Christ’s birthday to various needy persons and children who otherwise might not enjoy such benefits.”

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The Alliance’s Metropolitan District filed a lawsuit last year, maintaining it was entitled to the property. It noted that the church voted to become an accredited church in 1996. By doing so, it accepted a clause that stated “should the church cease to be subject to the purposes, usages, doctrines and teachings of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, then legal title to all property, appurtenances and effects then owned or held by it shall revert to the benefit of and become the property of the district of the C&MA … without regard to how or from whom such property was acquired.” In 2009, the Alliance, which is based in Colorado Springs, Colo., changed the church’s status from “accredited” to “development” and determined the church should close due to a declining membership, a lack of elder leadership and financial difficulties. That triggered the clause that reverted ownership of the property and assets to the Alliance, the group argued.  The judge last week granted the Christian and Missionary Alliance possession of the church and barred the defendants from entering or occupying the property. The church, which has more than 100 congregants, completed $210,000 in renovations a couple of years ago, said Pastor Joseph Smaha. While it’s not clear what the Alliance will do with the building, Ferriero and Smaha said it has assumed control of other churches and sold them for profit. “We believe in the Lord and we believe this is a battle to expose the Christian and Missionary Alliance, how really what they’re doing is stealing,” Ferriero said. The building’s estimated worth is $500,000, Ferriero said. “

 “Saturday, May 03, 2008 Christian and Missionary Alliance Denomination Years ago I was a member of a Christian and Missionary Alliance Church in Santa Monica. The denomination closed us down, too. I guess they took whatever was in the bank account, even though the pastor was left without a job. They did not show any sympathy for our little church closing…so I can understand a little about how this Vietnamese church felt.” http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2008/05/christian-and-missionary-alliance.html
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CHRISTIAN & MISSIONARY ALLIANCE LEADERS DEFRAUD VIETNAMESE BOAT PEOPLE OF $90,000 BANK ACCOUNT  PRESS RELEASE DATE: MAY 1, 2008 LOCATION: LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A. CONTACT: DANIEL NGUYEN (Vietnamese Alliance Member), EMAIL: mailto:pouchgman@juno.com

“In another act of piracy, the Christian & Missionary Alliance collects more booty from Vietnamese Boat People Christians than it would have by ransacking them on the high seas. This hostile takeover is on the heels of a major lawsuit filed by a group of former members of the Chinese Alliance Church of Colorado Springs against the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. On March 24, 2008, the C&MA, once again in a gesture of unbridled greed, seized the $90,000 bank account of another C&MA church, the Vietnamese Alliance Church of Long Beach, California. Reminiscent of what the C&MA did to the Chinese Alliance church, members of the Vietnamese church discovered that the locks on their church were changed, too, effectively rendering members as trespassers on their own property. And in like manner to the Chinese Alliance Church, C&MA leaders declared the Vietnamese church meetings invalid, trashed and held in complete contempt the local church’s constitution and bylaws, abused their spiritual authority, vilified the victims, defamed the messengers, and engaged in extolling and covering up the extortioner’s deeds. “

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I had attended this church in Canada for over 8 years, and not by a long shot can they be even considered a Christian Church.. rather thieves, liars, slanderers, home breakers yes.
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Christian Missionary Alliance Fraud By James Sundquist

Swindlers, slanderers, traitors, and plunderers can’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but they can become and remain District Superintendents in the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and host them May 5-7, 2008 [http://www.cmaspd.org/]. In refusing to repent, showing no remorse or shame, refusing correction, and refusing restitution after plundering the Chinese Alliance Church, then doing it again to the Vietnamese Alliance Church, C&MA Vice President John Soper and his C&MA collaborators are without excuse and are spiritually twice dead. They are “Bad Samaritans from Hell” vs. Good Samaritans who take care of victims instead of creating them. The Apostle Peter said that “true religion is ministry to orphans and widows.” The C&MA is not ministering to orphans and widows when C&MA churches all stand to lose their bank accounts, church property and Bibles to the C&MA leadership. No wonder that the Prophet Isaiah warned the people: woe to false shepherds, derelict guardians, imaginary public protectors like these C&MA leaders ‘who call evil good’. The C&MA leaders did NOT walk in same steps as the Apostle Paul, to the Chinese and Vietnamese Christians, for Paul told the Corinthians “What I want is NOT your possessions”…or “exploit you through any of the men I sent you” but “spend for you EVERYTHING I have.” [2 Cor. 12:14-18] Take heed of Jesus Christ’s warning of turning his house of prayer into a den of thieves. http://obadiah1317.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/christian-missionary-alliance-fraud-by-james-sundquist/

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Prime Minister of Canada  Stephen Harper’s church too..
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These are the rich folks who steal from the poor folks and abuse them
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And boy I was surprised next  with the Unchristian response on the web by Alliance supporters, who went into spin doctoring mode, even the for them it is bashings of others  to try to cover any of this up too.. easier to repent and rightfully too.
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Yes the same Christian Missionary alliance church, rather Corporation.. the bad so called church that our Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper goes too. The Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity. Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct parachurch organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed. See my posts on the CMA.. It is owned and controlled by a Corporation. The Pentecostal Assembly of Canada, PAOC broke away from this corporation and formed it’s own corporation, so called church..

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Sow the wrong seed and you can also next reap a whirl wind , church pastors included now, and there is really no such thing as a little bit allowable sins for pastors included, no such thing as being a  little bit pregnant here too.. and it is still clearly unacceptable for any Pastors to counsel a man’s wife behind his back and without his knowledge, approval,  permission, but even this sadly an unacceptable  common occurrence in evangelical churches now too, even in the Baptist, Alliance and Pentecostals churches now too.. and this is how the war against the perverse pastors’ of the Toronto airport church and other similar bad churches  had next escalated. When any spouse starts to talk to others about their family affairs they now are next definitely  headed towards divorce wars as well.

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The ends seem to justify the means for some. In the secular world it is common to contact your employer to try to put pressure on you when you disagree with a corporation, but in the religious world it is an unacceptable  common ploy for bad undeniably pastors with no fear and accountably as well  too often to try meddle into your family affairs, to try to seduce,  counsel your own wife behind your back and knowledge, trying to divide and conquer as many persons have told  me, they had the same bad experiences too, me included.

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“Now the relevance of all this, as brought to the attention of Justice Jarvis the friction between Walter and Sandra about Metro church, is pastor’s Jim Paul and family unauthorized intrusion into Walter’s marriage and life which resulted in a police call to 911 on October 30, 2005 as Jim Paul’s brother in law and sister refused to get out of my home when they barged in uninvited! In addition when Rick Meyers complained in an email to Pastor John Arnott that Jim Paul was not a marriage counselor and had no business or right to counsel only Sandra without Walter’s permission or knowledge, Pastor Steve Long took it upon himself to slander Walter Kambulow to Rick Meyers and refused to retract or substantiate his words in spite of many emails by Mr Kambulow to TACF on the subject ( See Appendix B REJECTION OF NOTICE OF MOTION (Milton) December 27, 2007 Court File No: 6447/07 ) and chose instead to sue Walter Kambulow to try and silence him! ”   and Walter or his wife Sandy  is no saint too.. nor his supporters too, or oppositions, none of these people here are really saints now as well..

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“The ignorance of the Bible and the works of the Holy Spirit have placed many people, churches, radio and television ministries, and itinerant ministries in jeopardy for their very existence because they are so desperate for success, numbers and money that they are ready to chase after any experience or anybody whom they think will attract people to them. There are many people today who do not know their Scriptures and the penalties that come from straying away from them. They are like the Sadducees of whom Jesus said, “You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God” (Matt. 22: 29; Mk. 12: 24).”

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Their ignorance of the Bible is alone not the issue, most Christians, church leaders  also wrongfully personally do pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will practice, and which one they will not. All professing Christians daily need to practice what they know, even the ten commandments.

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I went to a Church for the first time in the Calgary NW Suburb AND I KNEW AFTER ONE SERVICE THE EVANGELICAL PASTOR WAS A CROOK, A LIAR.. My friends insisted I return to the church, but in the process they had told me that the pastor was lying about me, slandering me to others, even to them as well.. This has often happened to me by pastors of other churches, in Calgary, Montréal too, seems the much too many bad pastors like to slander and Gossip. At the next church service I had shared openly with the congregation at the end of the service that their pastor had been accused of lying, slandering me, and even stealing, , misappropriation of funds , lying also by others. The majority of Congregation members disagreed. Ten years later there was a knock on the door of my home and one of the church members told me face to face the same Calgary NW pastor was fired for lying, stealing funds. I always had wondered why it took them so long to see the truth about him?

http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/?s=healing       

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Attention the Government of Canada                  January 16, 2008
The Honourable Peter Gordon MacKay, P.C., Q.C., M.P.
Minister of National Defence, Minister of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
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The  Christian Missionary Alliance church  “The Church considers those who have not heard the Word of God in the Gospels as being lost, just like those who have heard it and rejected it.”  but this so called church itself  is ironically, undeniably firstly lost itself even in that it does not hold fully to the word of God the Bible itself, especially in you  shall love your neighbor as yourself self, and do him or her no wrong, and you will not neglect, or abuse the poor and needy persons amongst you now as well, and you will give 1/7 of all the offerings, tithes  to the local poor persons too.
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A valid New Testament Bible based church is undeniably not just  congregational run but it has a multiplicity off  elders, deacons to minister also to the poor people in the church, and all the persons are equal, all are servants, and submit voluntarily in love one to another too, very unlike the Alliance with it generally bad, lip service non functioning deacons now too in my real witness.
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And since when do you now wrongfully now try to classify any rich man’s private club as a Christian denomination, church or whatever? Clearly the Christian and Missionary Alliance is a non profitable corporation now, yes of course, but a Biblical New Testament church now? Never! Not even one that clearly undeniably discriminates against the women, natives too, slanders, bashes others, and even falsely tries to break up marriages now too. On top they are clearly guilty of soliciting funds under false pretenses, when they do not actually disclose beforehand or afterwards to the members and adherents where all of the money next will be spent.  Not even the fact that a portion of the weekly church income is sent to the Alliance headquarters.  Any of the supposedly  Christian Missionary Alliances  even not even congregational owned, but belong  to the Christian Missionary alliance church Headquarters too.  all as I have personally witnessed, detailed to thousands in Canada now too.
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The Department of National Defence of all things needs to rewrite their page http://www.dnd.ca/hr/religions/engraph/religions07_e.asp  about the Christian and Missionary Alliance church in Canada  but firstly what is the Canadian federal department of defense doing having even now an Internet page on religion, churches?Who are you really wrongfully defending now too? Not us abused Canadian citizens clearly. 
I can fully say that the federal new Conservative platform has been significantly shaped by the values of the (C&MA) itself, especially by the rich people in their Church who do wrongfully now despise the poor persons, even the poor Christian persons, and they do also steal from the poor now too, wrongfully ostrich the poor people.. but the (C&MA) are already known also in finding jobs for their friends which has always been in Canada a false (C&MA) agenda as well. The Christian and Missionary Alliance church, is was strongly allied to the “higher life” , meaning that they are selfishly so heavenly minded that they still tend not to be of any personal earthly good.. and wrongfully they have excluded helping the poor persons in their main doctrines. The poor people tend to be women and the children more often. Even in reference to their many historical preacher’s writings the references to the poor generally are not mentioned, non existent, rare.. and yet the Bible, the New Testament contains tones of references to the subject still too. The main platform of the (C&MA)Jesus as savior, healer, sanctifier, coming king now wrongfully excludes this need to help the poor now too. The (C&MA) is a self made, self centered, unacceptably mostly a male dominated bastion now too http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/doctrine.jspBRBR 
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Believe it or not my having been both an adherent of the very local Christian Missionary Alliance church, (C&MA)for about 8 years, and my having attended, me having got to know personally also the senior pastor of the Calgary First alliance church too, I can fully say that the Conservative platform has been significantly shaped by the values of the CMA itself, esspecially their rich persons who wrongly despise the poor persons, and they do also steal from the poor now too, and wrongfully negelect, ostrich the poor people.. but (C&MA) are already known also in falsely finding jobs solely for their friends which has always been in Canada a false (C&MA) agenda as well..
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The Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) is an Evangelical Protestant denomination within Christianity. The Christian Missionary Alliance for the most part. is very similar to Baptist with Wesleyan mix. They are Trinitarian They are classed among the “conservative Protestant” churches. “Founded by Rev. Albert Benjamin Simpson in 1887, the Christian & Missionary Alliance did not start off as a denomination, but rather began as two distinct parachurch organizations: The Christian Alliance which focused on the pursuit and promotion of the Higher Christian life and The Evangelical Missionary Alliance, which focused on mobilizing “consecrated” Christians in the work of foreign missionary efforts. These two groups amalgamated in 1897 to form The Christian and Missionary Alliance. It was only much later during the mid twentieth century that an official denomination was formed.” The Christian and Missionary Alliance church, is was strongly allied to the “higher life” , meaning that they are selfishly so heavenly minded that they still tend not to be of any personal earthly good.. and they have wrongfully excluded helping poor persons in their main doctrines. http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/doctrine.jsp

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Note this undeniably too – The original Apostles had clearly stated that money was to be weekly collected in the local church for the poor people, but historical the Evangelicals next distorted this commandment to mean that this money should be used rather for missionary work, and church empire building, not biblical still too, but the (C&MA) clearly next expounded on this that this also that money should go specially to the support of all of their Christian workers, pastors, too many of whom do try and like to live well off too.. in accordance to the (C&MA) as far as the poor they can help themselves on their own and not on any of the money from the (C&MA)church.. nor are the really welcomed to come to the (C&MA)church now too. sad but true. The clearly established biblical requirement of giving of 1/7 of all the tithe income collected to the local poor has also never been carried out. And as you can see ehe PM Stephen Harper is really not much different from the views of the (C&MA). It is also historical fact that the greatest theologians of the CMA A B Simpson a ” Political libertarian with ties to the Christian Right. … (1843 – 1919) – preacher, writer, and founder of The Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) ” included, or Dr. Andrew Bonar, A. W. Tozer (1897-1963), even in reference to their many writings the references to the poor generally are not mentioned, non existent, rare.. and yet the Bible, the New testament contains tones of references to the subject still too. The main platform of the (C&MA)Jesus as savior, healer, sanctifier, coming king now wrongfully excludes this need to help the poor now too. The (C&MA) is a self made, self centered, mostly a male dominated bastion now too.

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“During the beginning of the twentieth century, Simpson became closely involved with the growing Pentecostal movement, an offshoot of the Holiness movement. It became common for Pentecostal pastors and missionaries to receive their training at the Missionary Training Institute that Simpson founded. Consequently, Simpson and the C&MA had a great influence on Pentecostalism, in particular the Assemblies of God and the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel. This influence included evangelical emphasis, C&MA doctrine, Simpson’s hymns and books, and the use of the term ‘Gospel Tabernacle,’ which led to many Pentecostal churches being known as ‘Full Gospel Tabernacles.After Simpson’s death in 1919, the C&MA distanced itself from Pentecostalism, rejecting the premise that speaking in tongues necessarily indicates being filled with the Holy Spirit, ‘” The Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada churches a historical direct break away from the Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) wrongfully also tends to despise the poor persons as well. Does the Toronto airport Christian fellowship church also not really are about helping poor people wrongfully too?

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The Christian Missionary Alliance church tends to operates in a dictatorial, pyramid structure, and not in the rightfuly New testament plurality of elders, congressional approach. All acys, doctrines are also determined from central point like Roman Catholic faith:” “The General Assembly,” [world headquarters] “is the ultimate authority under God of The Christian and Missionary Alliance in Canada.” (The Manual, Ordination of ministers section, Christian Missionary Alliance church) Understanding the dictatorial approach of the Christian Missionary Alliance church is related also now to their claiming direct Heavenly, godly inspiration to all truths by their leaders.The infallibility of the Pope doctrine too. It also destructive to truth, because individuals in the Christian Missionary Alliance church conclude that all of their faith and doctrine is, must be without error, because the Holy Spirit directly taught it to them. This is also known as the error of “irresistible grace”, one of the tenets of Calvinism.

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 Now the error of “irresistible grace”, It is false doctrine. So is this Church.   Their members, ministers churches and seminaries are required to “pledge allegiance” to the Alliance Creed (Statement of Faith). This means that the creed has precedence over the Bible itself and actually competes with the Bible as a sole standard of authority. As you will plainly see, the Bible is NOT the sole standard of faith, but a human origin creed is.” ” Members required to adhere to creed:”Qualifications for Local Church Membership: (1) A credible testimony of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. (2) A commitment to the principles expressed in the Statement of Faith of The Christian and Missionary Alliance.” (The Manual, Christian Missionary Alliance church) Ministers required to adhere to creed even where it contradicts the Bible:Ordination of ministers: “Only a person who is in genuine agreement with the doctrines and teachings of The Christian and Missionary Alliance, may be approved by The Christian and Missionary Alliance as a minister of the Gospel.” (The Manual, Christian Missionary Alliance church) “A candidate shall state on the provided forms, knowledge of Bible doctrine and acceptance of doctrinal distinctives of The Christian and Missionary Alliance. Willingness to accept the constituted authority of The Christian and Missionary Alliance must also be expressed.” (The Manual, Ordination of ministers section, Christian Missionary Alliance church) Ministers fired if they deviate from church creed even if they learn it teaches things that contradict the Bible:” Expulsion: Where the accused minister has been found guilty of teaching doctrines contrary to the Statement of Faith.” (The Manual, Ordination of ministers section, Christian Missionary Alliance church) Seminaries that ordain ministers are controlled by Headquarters who demand the creed be followed even if it teaches false doctrine: “The doctrinal statement of The Christian and Missionary Alliance in Canada, as found in the General Constitution, will be binding on the colleges and/or seminaries.” (The Manual, Ordination of ministers section, Christian Missionary Alliance church) Local church assets will be seized if they don’t follow the creed: “This church operates in accordance with its Statement of Faith. Should this church cease to be subject to the doctrines and teachings of The Christian and Missionary Alliance, all of its property shall become the property of the district corporation.” (The Manual, Ordination of ministers section, Christian Missionary Alliance church) . “Their creed on how a sinner should be saved is both incomplete and false. “those who repent and believe in Him are born again” (Christian Missionary Alliance Statement of Faith, Article 6) Personally Repent, Belive, accept jesus Christ as your lord and be baptized is what the new testament actually says, commands.. The “Articles of Faith” quoted are copyright of the Christian Missionary Alliance church and based upon the General Councils 1965, 1966, 1974, 1995. The “Manual”, Christian Missionary Alliance church is copyright of the Christian Missionary Alliance church. One of the snares in Assembly Of God and Christian Missionary Alliance and other denominations is the REVERSION CLAUSE. It is one of the main lynch pins which holds the power of the elite together at the expense of the local church. It should really be called the perversion clause, because it is a license to steal, giving power and authority to the headquarters of these denominations which it should not have in the first place.  ” http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/James/ReversionClauseCMA&AOG.pdf
 
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The new conservative Stephen Harper fell out of the same tree and it clearly damaged his moral values..  The Honourable Peter Gordon MacKay, P.C., Q.C., M.P. next never denied  back to me any of this but how could he?
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Prominent bad former (C&MA) members- Interesting
Charles Templeton, post-war evangelist. Subsequently left and became an agnostic.
David Berg (deceased), who left to found the cult the Children of God, now known as The Family International

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Purpose Drivel: (UPDATED) C&MA seizing churches/assets of faithful pastors  September 22, 2008
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(UPDATED) C&MA seizing churches/assets of faithful pastors

The Christian & Missionary Alliance has started to seize the assets and churches of those who resist the man-centered philosophies the denominational leadership is trying to foist on them, such as Purpose Driven/seeker sensitive, and Emerging mysticism.
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It sounds like the false teaching and abuse of power in the name of Rick Warren continues unabated… the danger continues and so we must continue to shout from the housetops to flee the sinking purpose driven ship and get into the real Ark of safety, the glorious salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, for the glory of God alone, and to comfort those who have been cast out by the false teachers in their circles, slandered before their congregations, and turned on by those who once were friends. We remind you that you are not alone! We have, many of us, suffered the same fate. And greatest of all, Christ suffered this reproach — this is his reproach that we bear. And so count it all joy! I know it does not feel that way now.

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Pastor Bob Iddings has written up a testimony of what happened to him in the Christian & Missionary Alliance at the hands of one Wayne Spriggs, District Superintendent of the Eastern Pennsylvania District of the Christian and Missionary Alliance and its District Executive Committee.

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Summary_Letter.doc

Shout_From_the_Roof_Top.doc

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UPDATE: James asked some questions for clarification and here are the answers from Bob Iddings:
Response_to_James_Sundquist_092208.doc
[END UPDATE]

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The behaviors of Spriggs and his cronies is eerily familiar. The secrecy, the miscommunication, no documentation, not allowing witnesses, the lies, the “hurry up we need to get this meeting scheduled” stuff…oy… it almost looks like they’re all being controlled by the same entity!

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Posted by terriergal at 11:42 PM  

http://www.purposedrivel.com/2008/09/c-seizing-churchesassets-of-faithful.html

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God’s Word provides us with all the purpose and direction that we could ever need. God also gives us something more to be able to live the Christian life, he also gives us the anointing of the Holy Spirit,. The bad churches deny both, the bad Anglican churches included. Bad pastors, bad elders also bad churches even professing Christina, evangelical churches such as the Christian Missionary Alliance, Dispensational Brethren ones, others too, use the   “BAIT AND SWITCH” approach.. the next falsely deviate from the Bible’s teaching.. (Isa 2:22 KJV)  Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?

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(Isa 65:2 KJV)  I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; .. 5   Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. 6 KJV)  Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

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Evangelical Snobbery  By Aiden Wilson Tozer

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WE ARE A BAD LOT, WE SONS OF ADAM. One convincing proof of our inherent badness is the way we manage to turn good into evil and make our very blessings a curse to us.  Indeed I think a strong case can be made for the belief that sin is merely righteousness in reverse and evil but perverted good.  Sin is at bottom the abuse of things in themselves innocent, an illegitimate use of legitimate gifts.

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We Christians are cut from the same bolt as the rest of mankind, and while we have been made partakers of a new nature we have not yet been entirely divested of the old.  For this reason we are under constant temptation to lapse into the flesh and manifest the old nature rather than the new.  I know the arguments against this, but they have never seemed very convincing to me, especially when those who advance them are as likely as not to reveal pretty plain evidences of the old nature before the argument is ended.

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Because we are so very human there is real danger that we may inadvertently do the human thing and turn our blessings upside down.  Unless we watch and pray in dead earnest we may turn our good into evil and make the grace of God a trap instead of a benefit.

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Among the purest gifts we have received from God is truth.  Another gift almost as precious, and without which the first would be meaningless, is our ability to grasp truth and appreciate it.  For these priceless treasures we should be profoundly grateful; for them our thanks should rise to the Giver of all good gifts throughout the day and in the night seasons.  And because these and all other blessings flow to us by grace without merit or worth on our part, we should be very humble and watch with care lest such undeserved favors, if unappreciated, be taken from us.

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Men are notoriously lacking in gratitude. Bible history reveals that Israel often took God’s gifts too casually and so turned their blessings into a curse.  This human fault appears also in the New Testament, and the activities of Christians through the centuries show that as Christ was followed by Satan in the wilderness so truth is often accompanied by a strong temptation to pride.  The very truth that makes men free may be and often is fashioned into chains to keep them in bondage.  And never forget it: there is no pride so insidious and yet so powerful as the pride of orthodoxy.

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Snobbery is the child of pride.  Pride at first may be eager and ambitious as it tries to make a place for itself or to prove that it has already attained that place.  Later it loses its eager quality and becomes defensive.  Finally it ceases to struggle or defend and accepts its own image of itself as something too well established for discussion and too beautiful to improve.  When it reaches that stage it has produced a snob, and no snob is ever aware that he is one.

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The snob whose claim to superiority is her material possessions is a comical figure, but because she is so pathetic she may with some effort be tolerated.  The snob whose glory lies in her ancestors is less easy to endure, but she may be dismissed with the remark that since all she has to be proud of is her forebears the best part of her is under ground. But what shall we say of the intellectual snob? He is unbearable, a man difficult to love and impossible to like.  A new school of evangelical Christianity has come up of late which appears to me to be in grave danger of producing a prime crop of intellectual snobs.  The disciples of this school are orthodox in creed, if by that we mean that they hold the fundamental tenets of the historic faith; but right there the similarity of their school to New Testament Christianity ends.  Their spirit is quite other than the spirit of the early church.

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This new breed of Christian may be identified by certain field marks.  One is the habit of puffing out the chest and uttering a noise that sounds suspiciously like crowing.  Another is the habit of nesting so high that ordinary Christians have difficulty in locating the aerie, and when they do they are unable to climb to it.  Then, the song is also quite noticeable in that it consists almost wholly of imitations.  Rarely does one of them manage to give forth an original note, but each one waits to hear what Barth or Brunner or Bultmann or Tillich has to say and then imitates it as nearly as possible, only transposing it into the orthodox key.  Their mating call is a shrill “Me too! Me too!” which may be heard any time between September and June ringing through the halls of various institutions of evangelical higher learning.

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What is overlooked by this new school is that truth is not mental only but moral.  The Apostles’ Creed quoted in pride, though true, is not true for the one who thus quotes it; one indispensable quality is missing—humility.  A theological fact becomes a spiritual truth only when it is received by a humble mind.  The proud mind, however orthodox, can never know spiritual truth.  Light means nothing to a blind man.

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In the Christian life we know most when we know that we do not know, and we understand best when we know that we understand little and that there is much that we will never understand.  In the Scriptures knowledge is a kind of experience and wisdom has a moral content.  Knowledge without humility is vanity.  The religious snob is devoid of truth. Snobbery and truth are irreconcilable.

The Alliance Witness, vol. 97, no. 24, p. 2, Nov. 28, 1962.

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Hidden agendas, the world is full of it, many people have hidden agendas, Pastors, Ministers, politicans, cops  too. Sadly some people they tend  present their own “facts,” but fall short in truthfulness  for they tend to falsely  have a hidden agenda, and often they want to be falsely personally worshipped and live in sin too.
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Is 2:22 Cease to trust in [weak, frail, and dying] man, whose breath is in his nostrils [for so short a time]; in what sense can he be counted as having intrinsic worth? 
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 https://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/christian-missionary-alliance/
 
So see also
 
http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/free-collection-of-christian-literature/
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Visit all of my sites at wordpress.com now too
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For certainty also because of the demonic opposition the devil will try to discourage you from finding out reading about the Holy spirit, Charismatics, Pentecostals and the Bible. I know I have experienced this myself the last  40 years. So my sites will reflect, show you what I have learned, found out on these subjects for a start.

It has always confounded me as to why the liars, crooks, deceivers, abusers  too often do still do think they can get away with now, next and forever.
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FOR WE TEND TO KNOW THAT THEY THE CROOKS, ABUSERS TOO,  NOW ARE NOT ABOUT TO STOP THEIR WRONG DOINGS. RATHER THEY WILL NEXT EVEN ESCALATE, CONTINUE IN THEM. AND THAT IS ANOTHER VALID REASON  THEY DO NEED TO BE EXPOSED, PROSECUTED AND STOPPED. EVEN FOR THE GOOD OF US ALL.
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It is sadly  not just bad Christian and Missionary Alliance Church or Corporation Pastors,  the  C&MA,  who falsely do  try to get medical doctors to put any critics, opponents of their into a mental hospital ward, but it is also the very bad nurses too, control freaks or rather witches, who try to put even mother in laws, or father in laws  now  there as well..
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and do see also
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/the-too-common-abusive-silent-treatment/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/more-about-control-freaks/
http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/
http://thenonconformer.blogspot.com/2008/12/coping-with-bad.html
 http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/tax-exempt-donations-stranglehold/
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