GOD NOT ONLY KICKED THE JEWS OUT OF ISRAEL IN 70 AD.. BUT BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST HE CHANGED THE WORLD’S CALENDAR, PROCLAIMING HIS NEW ERA AND TODAY IS 2012 AD, AFTER THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST
Today’s Jews are are too quick to associate with the Promised Land of Joshua’s time. However, as per the conditions of the Bible , the New Testament and even the establishment of the State of Israel by the United Nations in 1948 it now raises many valid questions about that relationship validity. Still the state of Israel is big enough for both the Jews and Muslims to live together in peace too. So do all grow up and smarten up up. (Psa 133:1 KJV) Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Lasting peace can olny occur by all accepting our God Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior Love God, love others, be not drunk with wine, be filled with the Holy Spirit, do not lie or steal
I really get sick every time I hear preachers such as John Hagee and Jerry Falwell demonize the Arab people, while glorifying the Jews. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/john-hagee%e2%80%99s-israel-heresy/
Too many fundamentals, professing Christians now falsely do that the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 was prophesied in Scripture while there is no direct support of this in the New Testament Bible even still. Zionism, on the other hand, “is a secularist, largely atheistic ideology” that emerged in the late 19th century. God still does not require the human input to fulfill his own prophecies. Now too many Christian Zionists, extremists do falsely do now believe that in order to fulfill all of the Biblical prophecy, Israel must next conquer most of the Middle East. And anyone watched the mostly self centered, get richer TV evangelists such as a Pat Robertson or John Hagee and their distorted sermons scenarios involving the future “Rapture,” Jesus Christ and also Israel, should also quickly firstly now realize that these false prophets are not only fleecing, scaring their flock to give more money but falsely are into worshipping the false idol of Israel. .John Hagee pays himself over a million dollars a year in TAX FREE money while having several palaces to live in, like the $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, Texas , with five lodges, including a “main lodge” and a gun locker.;Once considered a small marginal doctrine among evangelicals, the false dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism has greatly escalated, ironically falsely with the help of jess, Messianic Jews, Judaizers and many others too. The reality still is that the parable of the vineyard (Matt 21:33-43) clearly shows that the Christian Church totally now rather succumbs all of the past promises made to Israel. Be careful about accepting anyone’s word about Christian Zionism do first read the Bible, New Testament for yourself and know the truth rather. http://witnessed.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/the-2-promised-returns/
Jews will always be far from any right to the the promise land because of all their own unrepentant SINS, ACTS, even the blood shed of many others that they have killed from generations to generation even the shed blood of Jesus. (Mat 23:38 KJV) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. The Jews alone have by their return to Israel have usurped the authority of the Lord God of Hosts Himself, who alone has the right to give and take away the land of Israel as so far there is no New testament word confirming any of it’s return.. …the Land belongs now to Jesus Christ alone and his bride the Church… it is all his, he had undeniably bought it with his life and redeemed it alone! I’m getting fed up with the way some groups equate even the slightest criticism of Israeli state policy with antisemitism. There’s a big difference between believing in the right of self-determination and sovereignty for ALL people and being a racist bigot. Too bad that too many institutions don’t seem to know the difference and cave every time the antisemitism card is played. Can anyone do or say anything that disagrees with mighty Israel without being labelled “anti-semetic”?? The all-powerful “anti-Semitism” card has again been played against me the force of a blunt object; for when these Jewish patriots don’t like what I say they start their personal slanders, personal; attacks, name calling against me.. I know that the Jews were o0nce “God’s Chosen People” and the rest of us we still are just whatever… but when Israel behaves like a violent psychopathic bully and someone mentions it that does NOT make them anti-Semitic. ” Those who question the legitimacy of Israel’s actions are immediately labelled anti-Semitic by some quarters, effectively undermining the turn of phrase by using it in this context. We are right to question the state of Israel’s actions and I am not anti-Semitic for doing so. I think the religious fundamentalism exhibited by certain Zionist and Orthodox Jewish groups needs to be dealt with in a similar manner to Islamic fundamentalism, I don’t see the distinction between the two, both are equally repulsive. ” THEY BOTH FALSELY DO PREACH THEIR VERSION OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW OVER LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR TOO! And for the record, their troubled history is not a license for them to act with impunity now. “Church’s reputation seen at risk” for criticizing Israel !! Is this a secular country or a Jewish theocracy? If the church back down because of the threat from Jewish then all who are at the meeting should question their own soul if they are messenger of god or cowards who can be bullied to save their self-interest. Nobody should tell them what to do if they believe it is the right thing to do then they have to do it. I recently watched a clip where Palestinians evicted from a house they were living in since before the creation of Israel and the house given to Jews. What did Hitler do to the Jews…confiscate their property and made them homeless. They are doing the same to Palestinians. It is not just the right thing for the church to stand up against injustice and unpopular actions but there will be a day they will be questioned as we are questioning today; why the Catholic church stood by and let Hitler do all those injustices. They have to make their decision based on the facts they gathered and their conscious. They do not have to look for guidance from Jews…they just have to pray god to guide them to do the right thing. THE PROPHET MOSES HIMSELF WAS NOW DENIED ENTRANCE TO THE PROMISED LAND FOR HIS OWN SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE NOW EVEN IN STRIKING THE ROCK TWICE INSTEAD OF ONCE AS HE WAS COMMANDED BY GOD TO DO SO. Next SO IS THE VALID, LEGITIMATE PRESENT ENTRANCE OF THE JEWS TO THE PROMISED LAND NOW ALSO BEING DENIED BY GOD FOR THEIR OWN LACK OF FULL OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS, HIS WORDS TO THEM.. It seems that anything anti Jewish is falsely distorted as being anti-Semitism again. And so is the New Testament, Christians, the apostles, and Jesus Christ now as well.. Well Free speech, Human Rights, freedom of religion and freedom of religious beliefs is still my right for all even for non Jewish persons too.
http://mccainvrsobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/even-as-to-the-promised-land/
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“THE CHRISTIAN AND MISSIONARY ALLIANCE, – August 16, 2007 - I recently joined other evangelical leaders in signing a letter to President Bush concerning peace in the Middle East. The letter represents my personal conviction and does not represent the official position of The Alliance or the Board of Directors of the C&MA. The Christian and Missionary Alliance has been ministering in the Arab lands since 1890. For more than 110 years, we have been working among Israelis and Palestinians. We are seeking to fulfill Jesus’ Commission to take the gospel to people in all nations. The letter I signed encourages President Bush to continue to pursue a peaceful solution to the conflict in the region. We are instructed in the Bible to “seek peace and pursue it,” yet I understand that the only true and lasting peace will come when the Prince of Peace returns. Please join me in praying for the peace of Jerusalem and that many will find the peace that passes all understanding through Jesus. We share a common concern for peace in the region and the commitment to obey Jesus’ command to spread the gospel to all people. May God be pleased to reach many and bring glory to our Lord. Living the Call together, Gary M. Benedict President U.S. C&MA “ http://www.cmalliance.org/peaceLetter.jsp
Jewish Congress accuses United Church debate proposal of anti-Semitism Canada’s largest protestant denomination resolutions to be debated at the United Church’s general meeting next week. Bernie Farber falsely again, and too often now as well calls the four proposals anti-Semitic. “Anybody that votes in favour of this, votes in favour of anti-Semitism,” Farber, the group’s chief executive officer, said in an interview. The four resolutions are among 105 to be debated at the meeting in Kelowna, B.C. They do now call on the United Church “to advocate a comprehensive boycott of Israeli academic and cultural institutions.” Another urges the church to “support the international campaign of boycott … divestment and sanctions until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian people’s inalienable right to self-determination.” and in one case refers to “questionable positions of Canadian members of Parliament.” Some MPs have accepted sponsored trips to Israel, “which might be called bribes” and said “some members of Parliament are affiliated with the State of Israel.”
The church’s moderator, Rev. David Giuliano, noted once they have been brought forward by one of the church’s 13 regions, they must be debated. “We’re a church that debates these things in the open ,” Giuliano said. Giuliano acknowledged the proposals “at face value, are quite offensive to some people in the Jewish community because of the implications for Israel “ So is Jesus Christ! So what! He said when the proposals came in, his office recognized there would be concern and alerted the Jewish Congress. Giuliano said the debate will go ahead. All of the proposals decried Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, and one also has urged the church to publicly state that the Palestinians must acknowledge Israel’s right to exist in peace too and must stop suicide bombings and other violent attacks on the Israeli people. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090807/national/united_church
“C’mon United Church, are you afraid to be labeled as an “anti-Semite”? It’s about time someone hold Israel responsible for all the crap they have been doing, with the US as its shield. Israel’s not special – it’s annoying and hypocritical.
The all-powerful “anti-Semitism” card has again been played with the force of a blunt object; it will be interesting to see to what effect.
Seriously, Israel oppresses the West Bank with more might and fervor than any Palestinian group has the power to counter, and criticism of this behaviour, which would be seen as contravention of international law anywhere else in the world, and someone bringing this up publicly is seen as an “attack” on the poor Israelis?
Anti-Semitic? Are the Palestinian territories not “occupied?” Did Desmond Tutu not compare the conditions there to South African apartheid?
Disgusting the way the Canadian Jewish Congress labels the United Church anti-semetic when the United Church takes a vocal stand against Israel’s apartheid occupation of the Palestinians. I suppose the wall surrounding the region is actually a clever ruse that the United Church subliminally implanted to unsuspecting Israelis via clever propaganda.
While I understand the United Church’s decision to make the wording of its’ resolutions less combative, I fully understand where the proponents of the resolutions are coming from. Palestinians living in Israel do not have the right to vote and are subjected to an entirely different ‘justice’ system than Jewish Israelis. Further, Israel IS occupying Palestinian lands and settlers continue to build illegal settlements, literally stealing peoples’ land at the point of a gun. As well, those who speak out against what is going on over there are lableled ‘anti-semetic’ (Palestinians are also semetic people…semetic refers to a language group). We need to applaud the United church for at least having enough backbone to debate these issues. And boo to those of you who repeat the propaganda of an Israeli government which has lost all semblance of moral direction. The formerly oppressed have become the current oppressors.
Bernie Farber is an enemy of free speech. Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.
CJC losing their grip? No one tells the CJC what to do, but they try ro tell everyone else what to do.
Bernie farber sees old nazi’s every where he goes!The guy just cant help himself because the evil boogy men are every where!And by the way Bernie-Israel does act like an apartied state come to think about it!
Boy, I wonder when some large Canadian organization will have the guts to tell it like it is regarding the way Israel is treating the Palestinian people, forget about the CJC’s sensitivities, and then stand behind their decision.
I know that the Jews are “God’s Chosen People” and the rest of us are just whatever… but when Israel behaves like a violent psychopathic bully and someone mentions it that does NOT make them anti-Semitic. And for the record, their troubled history is not a license for them to act with impunity now. “Church’s reputation seen at risk” for criticizing Israel !! Is this a secular country or a Jewish theocracy?
There’s the “anti-semetic” card being played again. Can anyone do or say anything that disagrees with mighty Israel without being labelled “anti-semetic”??
Bernie Farber is scary.
I’m getting fed up with the way some groups equate even the slightest criticism of Israeli state policy with antisemitism. There’s a big difference between believing in the right of self-determination and sovereignty for ALL people and being a racist bigot. Too bad that too many institutions don’t seem to know the difference and cave every time the antisemitism card is played.
Bernie Farber’s message is loud and clear. Critism of Israel is not to be tolerated.”
I did not even know that the church is doing something morally respectful like this. I am proud to be member of a courageous church like this. If the church back down because of the threat from Jewish then all who are at the meeting should question their own soul if they are messenger of god or cowards who can be bullied to save their self-interest. Nobody should tell them what to do if they believe it is the right thing to do then they have to do it. I recently watched a clip where Palestinians evicted from a house they were living in since before the creation of Israel and the house given to Jews. What did Hitler do to the Jews…confiscate their property and made them homeless. They are doing the same to Palestinians. It is not just the right thing for the church to stand up against injustice and unpopular actions but there will be a day they will be questioned as we are questioning today; why the Catholic church stood by and let Hitler do all those injustices. They have to make their decision based on the facts they gathered and their conscious. They do not have to look for guidance from Jews…they just have to pray god to guide them to do the right thing.
anyone who thinks the Jewish propoganda machine Canadian Jewish Congress is now winning is naieve.
Obama’s popularity falling among some of the Jews? A powerful pro-Israel lobby group has criticised President Barack Obama’s decision to grant a top honour to former Irish president Mary Robinson, accusing her of bias towards the Jewish state. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) criticised Obama’s decision to award Robinson the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America’s highest civilian honour. Obama last week announced that he would recognise Robinson for her role as president of Ireland and as UN high commissioner for human rights. Among others honoured this year are US Senator Edward Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, tennis great Billie Jean King and ground-breaking scientist Stephen Hawking.
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Now any one who looks at the subject of prophecy, a real genuine Bible student knows that too many Jews ,who can only use the old testament, and there is almost no new testament substantiation for it, still the Jews, and many others have wrongfully now Distorted Biblical Prophecy Interpretation after the time of Jesus Christ to suit their false Jewish’s ends, a Jewish purpose, for they like Judas they betray Jesus Christ by these acts for Jesus next made it clear the second Jewish Kingdom of God was not in this world.. (John 18:36 KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
And the false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel’s return or possession now of the past promised land.
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THE PROPHET MOSES HIMSELF WAS NOW DENIED ENTRANCE TO THE PROMISED LAND FOR HIS OWN SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE NOW EVEN IN STRIKING THE ROCK TWICE INSTEAD OF ONCE AS HE WAS COMMANDED BY GOD TO DO SO. Next SO IS THE VALID, LEGITIMATE PRESENT ENTRANCE OF THE JEWS TO THE PROMISED LAND NOW ALSO BEING DENIED BY GOD FOR THEIR OWN LACK OF FULL OBEDIENCE TO ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS, HIS WORDS TO THEM..
And as we all do know the main temple in Jerusalem was fully destroyed to the ground in 70 AD by the Romans, as well as all of the temple records there in, so no one any longer can validate his Jewish ancestry or birth rights even.
Many evangelicals do now support a two-state solution and creation of a new Palestinian state that includes the vast majority of the West Bank. They support justice for both Israelis and Palestinians. If all of the learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God himself and admit that right was the same God who took the right next away from them, from that land now twice too… THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT talk about the Jews return next third return to it too. But God still wants the Jews and Palestinians brothers to live in peace together. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/israel-and-palestine/
Waves of anger sweeps across the World. Hundreds of Thousands call for Mid-East peace, call for peace in Israel and Gaza, as well as recognition of the citizen’s view of the conflict there, and they want both Gaza and Israel to be free, calling called for a sustained ceasefire and an end to all violence in the region. ” We look upon the increasing loss of life on both sides of the Gaza conflict with horror ” . “We have no doubt that these conflicts by Israel, and by Hamas and other militant Palestinian groups, are war crimes against the innocent citizens. “No sovereign state should, or would, tolerate continued attacks and the deliberate targeting of civilians. We all must demand an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. WASHINGTON: Several thousand protesters – 10,000 according to organizers – descended on the White House in support of Palestinians in Gaza, on the heels of other protests across major world capitals. The two biggest protests calling for an end to Israel’s military offensive in the Gaza Strip took place in London and Paris, and elsewhere.. There are also many Israeli citizens who are extremely critical of their country’s BAD policies.
As far as I am concerned both sides are really not interested in any real peaceful settlements, negotiations, as History has clearly shown the last 50 years too.. both sides here tend to be really imperfect, have done many wrongs, are often equally guilty thus.. so you cannot really ask me to take one or the other sides .. An Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine
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“Note the conditions for possession of the land are given in (Deu 8:1 KJV) All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
(Deu 10:11 KJV) And the LORD said unto me, Arise, take thy journey before the people, that they may go in and possess the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give unto them. 12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Yes, God was ready to give them the land that he promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Deut. 9:5), but it was conditional upon the people’s obeying God. Even to Abraham and his seed was given the condition of obedience (Gen 17:9 KJV) And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Joshua 1:1-9 concerning this, and in verse 4, he was told the extent of the land: From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.
The readers should also take note of the condition given in verse 3 of this passage: Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given you, as I said unto Moses. Joshua 1:7-9. Note especially verse 8: This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: FOR THEN THOU SHALT MAKE THY WAY PROSPEROUS, AND THEN THOU SHALT HAVE GOOD SUCCESS, Joshua’s conquests continued in chapter 11, and in verse 23 we are told “Joshua took the whole land.” Some would cite this as showing that nothing was left that needed to be conquered. However, in context, the term “whole land” refers to that land which Joshua had done battle against. thus the “whole land” included only those lands conquered to this point, which accord- ing to Joshua 12:7 stretched from Lebanon to Edom. At this time, they rested from war and divided the land. ( Josh. 13:6). In Joshua’s final charge to the people, he reminded them of the condition for possession:
It seems that anything anti Jewish is falsely distorted as being anti-Semitism again. And so is the New Testament, Christians, the apostles, and Jesus Christ now as well.. Well Free speech, Human Rights, freedom of religion and freedom of religious beliefs is still a Canadian right for all even for non Jewish persons too.
Abraham (then known as Abram) was called out of Ur to go to a land that God would show him (Gen. 12:1), a land God said would be his for an inheritance (Gen. 15:7-8; 17:7-8). Abraham and his seed were charged to keep God’s covenant (Gen.17:9ff). Later, the promise was renewed to Isaac (Gen. 26:1-5) and to Jacob (Gen. 28:1-16). Then, as Joseph neared death, he reminded the people of the promise in that God would “bring you again unto the land of your fathers” (Gen. 48:21; 50:24).While in Genesis 15, Jehovah made a promise to Abraham. He declared that the patriarch’s seed would someday possess the territory between “the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates” (v. 18). Has the promise been fulfilled? Premillennialists contend that it has not.
The two questions answered about Israel’s promised land. (1) Did Israel ever possess all the land God promised? Does it matter?
(2) Did God place conditions on this possessing? Yes!
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Of this passage, Allan Ross, of the Dallas Theological Seminary, writes: “Israel has never possessed this land in its entirety, but she will when Christ returns to reign as Messiah” but that is still just one’s man’s speculation and has nothing to do with the facts of the New Testament.
All geopolitical rights promised in the old covenant have been cancelled and that the best that Israel can hope for now is to be part of the new people of God, the church, but without a distinct nationality, land, or statehood. There is no land promise awaiting the Jewish people in the future. The Hebrew people lost their deed to material territory as a result of their spiritual rebellion, which was consummated by their murder of the Messiah. (Josh 23:15 KJV) Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. 16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
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STILL FALSE AND INCONSISTENT RATIONALIZATIONS ARE USED TO JUSTIFY THE supposed APPROVAL OF ISRAEL’S POSSESSION OF THE LAND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.. and the liars add to the word of God that which is not here too.
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Take good heed unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God. Else IF YE DO IN ANY WISE GO BACK, AND CLEAVE UNTO THE REMNANT OF THESE NATIONS, EVEN THESE THAT REMAIN AMONG YOU, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they unto you: Know for a certainty that the Lord your God WILL NO MORE DRIVE OUT ANY OF THESE NATIONS FROM BEFORE YOU; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you, (Josh. 23:11-13, ).
As Judges 1 shows, the children of Israel did not conquer all their possessions. Judges 2:1-5 explains why. Note the following: And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: BUT YE HAVE NOT OBEYED MY VOICE: why have ye done this? Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.
It is obvious that the Israelites made leagues with these people and quit fighting. Thus, they violated all conditions set forth by God: (1) they quit “walking” (Josh. 1:3), (2) they made pacts with the enemy (Deut. 7:2), and (3) they disobeyed God’s commands (Deut. 8:1). Therefore, these people could not fulfill all of what God wanted done. “
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(Lev 25:23 KJV) The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me. 24 And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land. in a context dealing with the Year of Jubilee, declares that the owner of the land is none other than the Lord. GOD GIVES AND GOD TAKETH AWAY. AND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ISRAEL IS DEFINED NOW ALL ENCOMPASSING TO INCLUDE THE GENTILE BELIEVERS.
The only related hope EVEN FOR ETERNAL LIFE now for those persons of Jewish background is in their accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ (Rom 1:16 KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The sole and most significant passage on this subject in the New Testament is Romans 9-11, especially 11:11-36. For if Israel’s failures have fallen out to the spiritual advantage of the world and their reconciliation to God, her acceptance will signal her “life from the dead” (11:15). The question as to whether the return pf the land follows a national spiritual awakening and turning to the Lord or vice versa is not at all even confirmed. ” “And so all Israel will be saved” (Rom. 11:26) in accordance with the predictions of Isaiah 27:9 and 59:20-21. The “and so” (kai> ou!twj) probably points back to verse 25 and the “mystery” of the temporary failure of Israel until the full number of the Gentiles comes in (cf. Luke 21:24). Then, in that future moment, “all Israel will be saved” pa?j ]Israh>l swqh<setai).”
People also do still lie when they say the land was given unconditionally to Israel.. God said he would not break his promises, but the people had to live up to their part still.
But this is a matter of Israel’s individual salvation and a matter of them still converting to the inclusive Gentile brand of Christendom, not is it a matter of God’s activity in history when the nation of Israel distinctly shall once again, as in the days of blessing in the past, experience the fill blessing and joy of God spiritually, materially, geographically, and politically. There is no he promise of the land to the nation of Israel here..
I do also believe that God divinely still looks after Israel and protects it, but this is never a justification of any of Israel’s past or present acts..
Too bad still that both the Jews and Arabs deliberately, equally do refuse to live in peace!
Free speech too often is a right mainly for the bad guys, crooks, not the decent folks. I also do I know that bad guys and gals such as the crooked cops, crooked pastors, crooked pol;iticans, crooked anyone do not like me to use my right of free speech.. too bad for them.. Clearly just because some thing someone writes offends someone else does not mean firstly that it is even “hate”, immediately prosecutable by law, the courts or the Human Rights Commission. There is still a separation between appropriate speech and inappropriate speech, a separation between freedom of speech, expressing one’s views, opinions and the delivered, deliberate conscious propagation of hatred towards a specific group or person.
OTTAWA — A ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Athanasios Hadjis ruled Wednesday that section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act violates Charter protections. While this decision doesn’t throw out the law – that’s something for the courts – it did let accused hatemonger Marc Lemire off the hook, because Hadjis refused to penalize him or order him to stop posting his messages on the net. on his site. Lemire was accused of posting anti-Semitic and anti-gay material on web sites in a complaint brought by Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman. Warman has become an Internet watchdog for such material and the main section 13 complainant before the tribunal. He had asked for a cease-and-desist order against Lemire and a $7,500 fine. Canadian Jewish Congress was quick to call for an appeal of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member Hadjis ruling. “We strongly disagree with his decision not to impose a cease-and-desist order,” said Joel Richler, an honorary legal counsel to the congress. The congress said other tribunal members have found the section to be constitutional and the courts should be asked to clarify the matter.
The Ruling from a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal member says a controversial law banning Internet hate messages is unconstitutional because it violates free speech protections. Refrence the human rights act section 13.1, which says it is a violation to disseminate material on the Internet that is “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt” If the example is followed by other tribunal members, it could mean an end to section 13 cases. In a special report issued in June, the commission asked Parliament to change the law to eliminate the fines and provide a clear, legal definition of what constitutes prohibited hatred. The section has been controversial, with some claiming it spreads too wide a net. The Supreme Court of Canada has said legal action should be reserved only for the most extreme forms of hate. None of this in any way affects the hate-speech provisions of the Canadian Criminal Code which is completely different legislation, with higher standards of proof and evidence . Hate accusations can be also filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission. If it finds them valid, they are then taken before the tribunal, which can order people to stop posting material on the web or impose fines of up to $10,000.
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TORONTO — The signatories of a new letter accusing the Toronto International Film Festival of becoming “complicit in the Israeli propaganda machine” run the gamut from an Oscar-winning actress to a rabble-rousing author to a Talking Head. More than 50 people have added their name to what’s being called The Toronto Declaration, including musician David Byrne, actors Danny Glover and Jane Fonda, and author Alice Walker. The declaration states that while the signatories are not protesting the individual filmmakers participating in the program and do not seek to exclude Israeli films from the festival, “in the wake of this year’s brutal assault on Gaza, we object to the use of such an important international festival in staging a propaganda campaign on behalf of what South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, former U.S. president Jimmy Carter and UN General Assembly President Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann have all characterized as an apartheid regime.” http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/story.html?id=1960040
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I was really rightfully upset that President George Bush and Prime Minister Stephen Harper had wrongfully allowed Israel to kill wrongfully Lebanon Christians in Lebanon.. http://pkbulow.tripod.com/1.htm
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Honest People speak out against Israel the Bully and Bell Canada the Bully, the bullies, and as you can tell I really, really rightfully do not like it when any crook, crooked pastor, or crooked cops, crooked politician tries to shut me up, and I just speak louder to all then.. http://postedat.wordpress.com/
http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/anti-jewish/
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*and the Jews, Israel for a start falsely, to try to get the support of others, even like to use the term anti Semite often, as a false diversion even for a start, as they here supposedly want to say that they alone are not the objects of the hate, racial attack but so are the others.. Although the term anti-Semitism has wide currency, it is regarded as a misnomer, falsely now implying discrimination against all Semites, including all Arabs and other peoples, who now firstly are not the clear targets of anti-Semitism today as it is usually the fact. It is not the past Jewish culture being attacked now too, but rather their presently specific now bad personal acts, poor values associated with Israel, especially when they the Jews too often and falsely, undeniably too now, the chosen ones, tend to think they are now really superior to all other nations too and they can do what they want, for they can do no wrong. Rather this is not so in reality, they the Jews too can be held accountable for their too often now bad acts as well… even against the Palestinians.
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Prime Minister Golda Meir lying had said ‘This country now exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.’ That was the past as for the present yet still there is no such New Testament approval, prediction.. And the false Jewish supporters can solely refer to the Old Testament verses now such as Jeremiah Chapter 31, Joel 3:2, Amos 9:15 and Psalm 83: for they undeniably have no New Testament substantiations, support for Israel’s return or possession now of the past promised land. They now take the land in their own stength and not God’s or by his approval .
But even the Messianic Jewish Yeshua is not the Christian Jesus, but another false Jesus still
(2 Cor 11:4 KJV) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
(Gal 1:6 KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
but Jesus as Lord did away with the Sabbath law, he even healed on the Sabbath “The letter”, meaning “the Law of Moses”, and “the spirit” are contrasted in Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, and II Corinthians 3:6. “The letter” alone is …used in reference to the Law in Romans 2:27. “The spirit,” when contrasted with “the letter,” refers not to the Law of Moses at all, but rather to the spirit of God given to those who believe on Jesus Christ ) If you try to live under the law you will die and go to Hell.. even though it may appeal to your bad flesh to try to do so
(Rom 8:2 KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(Rom 9:31 KJV) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
(Eph 2:15 KJV) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
(Heb 7:16 KJV) Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
(James 2:12 KJV) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
by the Law of Moses you cannot earn your way into heaven.. never!
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The Messianic Jewish belief is a result of a supposed love for, and a mainly a faith solely in the God of Israel not rather solely Jesus Christ Himself who is still the same God but further revealed . It is bot a whole Bible-based faith that be categorized into man-more man made traditions or religions. Many Messianic Jews still do falsely try to lead a Jewish lifestyle, and thus clearly now distinguish themselves from main stream, real Christendom. Messianic Judaism is not Christianity. The Jewish New Testament Apostles all gave up their Jewish traditions. Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
The Jews had no trouble keeping the ordinances, feasts, festivals and holy days. However, the Ten Commandments (Moral Law of God) they clearly could not keep. While they added much religious tradition to the Law given on Mt. Sinai, it was a yoke the people could not bear. so why do they the jews now want everyone falsely to do so still as well?
Notice the too often slanders, lies, personal attacks being made by the Jewish supporters on others when they do not like the Biblical facts being presented they are still trouble makers it seems.
Many Jews who have accepted Christ as Messiah, are attempting as some of the Jewish Christians in error in the early church, to mesh Grace with Judaism under the Old Covenant, making all inclusive with one another the Works of the Law, as well as the ordinances, such as the Sabbath and other holy days and combining them with Christianity. The great Apostle Paul now had much to say about this in his letters to the early church. Read the Bible, the book of Galatians where Paul addresses this heresy and warns the early church that if they follow this teaching, they have fallen from grace.
http://www.angelfire.com/la/jlush/dangersHRM.html
Even Heaven awaits the Jewish return TO God, Jesus Christ, and rather NOT TO THE PROMISED EARTHLY LAND BUT TO THE NEW HEAVENLY Jerusalem.
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(Rev 3:12 KJV) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the…
Have you firstly been Baptized with the Holy Spirit as evidenced by you now also personally in speaking in tongues, otherwise you are not even a real Christian to start of with. Rejecting any of the Gifts of the Holy Spiirt, especially the Gift of speaking in national languages (Grk: 1 Cor. 12: 10) is at the least a subconscious or conscious rejection of God’s daily communications system to you.
Through Christ Jesus and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit God has made provision that each born again person can be Baptized with the same Holy Spirit that Jesus was and operate in the gifts of the Spirit just like Jesus did!
http://postedat.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/the-false-demotion-of-the-holy-spirt-jesus-2/
Do see also
- the dispensationalist reality
